70:70 or Pure str bow?

Cerus · **Joined:** Nov 2006 **Posts:** 1002 **Location:**

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hapnz · **Posted:** Wed Nov 21, 2007 12:41 pm

I'm 70:70 lvl78 and I don't think this build sucks, but still I think pure str is little better.
Can't be sure though cos this is my first and only char

elnawawi · **Joined:** Jun 2007 **Posts:** 338 **Location:**

I don't care if darkmaster attack me or not ..
I speak with logic and he leave all my work and data that i spend time to discover it and just say that i'm "nerd " !!!!!!!

Go and hunt some real information or make some accurate calculates and then come to discuss my posts .. otherwise go home kid and shut your mouth

elnawawi · **Joined:** Jun 2007 **Posts:** 338 **Location:**

MrFudge wrote:

UnDutchable wrote:

Full STR and 70:70(80:80) hit around the same dmg, but with the 70:70 build the crit is not always thesame. With Full str you know if you hit 6k normal, you'll hit 12k crit. With 70:70 you hit like 8k normal and sometimes you crit with 10k, sometimes 12k, sometimes 13k.

pretty true.

and i just saw this topic, i dont really scopr around this section much but this is what i said in another topic

MrFudge wrote:

from vids ive seen, pure str bow strongbow craft rapes anyones hp.
whats 70:70 hp at cap? 13k? somethin around that.

well ive seen +5 bows criting 10-11k on capped full str's.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=wj1L59rEAkg
look a +5 bow doing over 10k to a capped glaiver lol.

and undutchables 70:70 bowman
http://youtube.com/watch?v=0PnCT7-5OAI
look at glaivers almost killing him with a sss, with 1 crit in its basically death.

keep in mind he's spamming strongbows, which you can't do anymore.
that was probably one of the bigger things going for the 70:70 bow that was taken away by joymax.

2:31 he almost dies in 1 nuke lol.
i dont know im just not impressed -.-

Anyway, I watched Undutchables 2 vids on his pure str bow and his 70:70 bow. It was easy using his vids cuz they both used the same bow, and were both under his youtube account.

70:70 Bow = http://youtube.com/watch?v=0PnCT7-5OAI
Pure STR Bow = http://youtube.com/watch?v=-BJMVH54xsM

Both after skills update.

Strongbow Crit
70:70 Bow = 10-12k crit on STR Glaive. [0:26 , 1:44, 2:13 ]
Pure Str Bow = 11.5k crit STR blader [0:36 secs] , 9.3k - 10.6k crit on INT s/s [0:39 , 2:24 ]

Strongbow Non-Crit
70:70 Bow = 7.4k -7.8k against STR Glaive [0:32, 1:40, 2:05]
Pure Str Bow = 6.9k -7.4k [1:02]

Antidevil Crit
70:70 Bow = 6.5k [2:07] - 7k [0:36]
Pure STR : 7.8k - 8.2k [1:18 , 1:33 , 1:57]

Antidevil Non-Crit
70:70 Bow = 5.4k [ 0 :27] - 5.5k [ 1:36 ]
Pure STR : 4.9k [1:04] - 6k [1:48]

Anyway, i chose those 2 skills since theyre most common.
Other undutch vids of his pure str show him critting 14k with the old strongbow on 80 pure str's, ____jv___ has also done that, probably higher with the new strongbow.

remember the pure str vid was using ice imbue too, supposedly contributing to 'lower' damage.
I dont see the damage difference that different between the 2 builds, but you are sacrificing 7k hp... >.>

..maybe thats why he switched the 70:70 bow to a spear character

and yeah, he did switch the bow to spear cuz 70 70 bow sucked compared to his full str bow.

It will be nice to compare this 2 vedio as he use same weapon in both .. but for sry you can't simply because this 70:70 in the vedio isn't fully farmed ..

Also look at how long Pure str bow fight against pure str builds .. he can't kill them fast so e need tanking ...
And don't speak about the HP please , 40% snow shield is a lot better than 40% more HP ..
The skill will do 19k damge on pure str bow will make 100% of his HP and he die in 1 hit .. the same hit will make only 11.4 k damge on 70:70 with snow shield and he have 13k HP that's only 88% of His HP ..

And you can't make Unduchable switch an evidance that 70:70 sux ... he was own with bow and still own with spear .. he just love to play other character style .. everybody have his mind ... For me I love to play 1:1 glavier more than 70:70 bow or spear so it's np that he switched ..

If you wanna prove that 70:70 bow sucks you need to bring me vedio that a pure str bow own 70:70 bow

kate4231 · **Joined:** Oct 2007 **Posts:** 125 **Location:**

ok i have read all of this thread even posted once and no offence but darkmaster you ar an idiot m8 outta all of this thread there is not one post by you which proves that a STR build is thebuild for all newcomers so untill you get some real info and proof on your build then don't post simple

to all the guys that have posted eveidence about both builds just wanan say thank you

but i hAve chosen a 70;70 build which i am lvl 53 rght now and tbh it is a really Good build i even pvpedwith na full STR same lvl fully farmed and it wasall even even he killed me i killed him only thing is i done highr crits

Braka · **Joined:** Oct 2007 **Posts:** 1369 **Location:**

kate4231 wrote:

ok i have read all of this thread even posted once and no offence but darkmaster you ar an idiot m8 outta all of this thread there is not one post by you which proves that a STR build is thebuild for all newcomers so untill you get some real info and proof on your build then don't post simple

to all the guys that have posted eveidence about both builds just wanan say thank you

but i hAve chosen a 70;70 build which i am lvl 53 rght now and tbh it is a really Good build i even pvpedwith na full STR same lvl fully farmed and it wasall even even he killed me i killed him only thing is i done highr crits

u must have a better bow to do highier crit then a pure str? since on all the data shown here the only time a pure str does more dmg then a 70:70 is when he crits

kate4231 · **Joined:** Oct 2007 **Posts:** 125 **Location:**

well maybe it was.... but still atm im finding the 70:70 build a bit beter im not saying this cause i depise other builds its juscoming from my experience i ill also test this solution again braka as i might of made a misake

darkmaster21 · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 2156 **Location:**

kate4231 wrote:

Good build i even pvpedwith na full STR same lvl fully farmed and it wasall even even he killed me i killed him only thing is i done highr crits

Wow I can barily read what you just said...If I did read it correctly I would have to say make a video of your char pvping. I would love to see it.

Braka · **Joined:** Oct 2007 **Posts:** 1369 **Location:**

no need to flame her typing / english

and ye i would like to see a vid also

there is a 52 80:80 vid just been posted in genral discussion secion just so u know

Doctor_MOS · **Joined:** Apr 2007 **Posts:** 957 **Location:**

darkmaster21 wrote:

kate4231 wrote:

Good build i even pvpedwith na full STR same lvl fully farmed and it wasall even even he killed me i killed him only thing is i done highr crits

Wow I can barily read what you just said...If I did read it correctly I would have to say make a video of your char pvping. I would love to see it.

http://www.silkroadforums.com/viewtopic ... 075#840075

marckillz91 · **Posted:** Wed Nov 21, 2007 5:27 pm

Doctor_MOS wrote:

darkmaster21 wrote:

kate4231 wrote:

Good build i even pvpedwith na full STR same lvl fully farmed and it wasall even even he killed me i killed him only thing is i done highr crits

Wow I can barily read what you just said...If I did read it correctly I would have to say make a video of your char pvping. I would love to see it.

http://www.silkroadforums.com/viewtopic ... 075#840075

omfg lol, that my video:P

iam fair, i dont have delete movies where i was losing :wink:

with ice imbue and snow shield iam *unkillable* :roll:

MrFudge · **Joined:** Jan 2007 **Posts:** 5731 **Location:** None

elnawawi wrote:

MrFudge wrote:

UnDutchable wrote:

Full STR and 70:70(80:80) hit around the same dmg, but with the 70:70 build the crit is not always thesame. With Full str you know if you hit 6k normal, you'll hit 12k crit. With 70:70 you hit like 8k normal and sometimes you crit with 10k, sometimes 12k, sometimes 13k.

pretty true.

and i just saw this topic, i dont really scopr around this section much but this is what i said in another topic

MrFudge wrote:

from vids ive seen, pure str bow strongbow craft rapes anyones hp.
whats 70:70 hp at cap? 13k? somethin around that.

well ive seen +5 bows criting 10-11k on capped full str's.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=wj1L59rEAkg
look a +5 bow doing over 10k to a capped glaiver lol.

and undutchables 70:70 bowman
http://youtube.com/watch?v=0PnCT7-5OAI
look at glaivers almost killing him with a sss, with 1 crit in its basically death.

keep in mind he's spamming strongbows, which you can't do anymore.
that was probably one of the bigger things going for the 70:70 bow that was taken away by joymax.

2:31 he almost dies in 1 nuke lol.
i dont know im just not impressed -.-

Anyway, I watched Undutchables 2 vids on his pure str bow and his 70:70 bow. It was easy using his vids cuz they both used the same bow, and were both under his youtube account.

70:70 Bow = http://youtube.com/watch?v=0PnCT7-5OAI
Pure STR Bow = http://youtube.com/watch?v=-BJMVH54xsM

Both after skills update.

Strongbow Crit
70:70 Bow = 10-12k crit on STR Glaive. [0:26 , 1:44, 2:13 ]
Pure Str Bow = 11.5k crit STR blader [0:36 secs] , 9.3k - 10.6k crit on INT s/s [0:39 , 2:24 ]

Strongbow Non-Crit
70:70 Bow = 7.4k -7.8k against STR Glaive [0:32, 1:40, 2:05]
Pure Str Bow = 6.9k -7.4k [1:02]

Antidevil Crit
70:70 Bow = 6.5k [2:07] - 7k [0:36]
Pure STR : 7.8k - 8.2k [1:18 , 1:33 , 1:57]

Antidevil Non-Crit
70:70 Bow = 5.4k [ 0 :27] - 5.5k [ 1:36 ]
Pure STR : 4.9k [1:04] - 6k [1:48]

Anyway, i chose those 2 skills since theyre most common.
Other undutch vids of his pure str show him critting 14k with the old strongbow on 80 pure str's, ____jv___ has also done that, probably higher with the new strongbow.

remember the pure str vid was using ice imbue too, supposedly contributing to 'lower' damage.
I dont see the damage difference that different between the 2 builds, but you are sacrificing 7k hp... >.>

..maybe thats why he switched the 70:70 bow to a spear character

and yeah, he did switch the bow to spear cuz 70 70 bow sucked compared to his full str bow.

It will be nice to compare this 2 vedio as he use same weapon in both .. but for sry you can't simply because this 70:70 in the vedio isn't fully farmed ..

Also look at how long Pure str bow fight against pure str builds .. he can't kill them fast so e need tanking ...
And don't speak about the HP please , 40% snow shield is a lot better than 40% more HP ..
The skill will do 19k damge on pure str bow will make 100% of his HP and he die in 1 hit .. the same hit will make only 11.4 k damge on 70:70 with snow shield and he have 13k HP that's only 88% of His HP ..

And you can't make Unduchable switch an evidance that 70:70 sux ... he was own with bow and still own with spear .. he just love to play other character style .. everybody have his mind ... For me I love to play 1:1 glavier more than 70:70 bow or spear so it's np that he switched ..

If you wanna prove that 70:70 bow sucks you need to bring me vedio that a pure str bow own 70:70 bow

please show me a chinese char that 19k crits someone.
both lvl 80 without the use of euro buffs or debuffs.

Puma60 · **Posted:** Wed Nov 21, 2007 5:40 pm

elnawawi wrote:

darkmaster21 wrote:

Doctor_MOS and elnawawi

Why do you guys care SO MUCH about a stupid game? You spend all your time in your life researching builds and defending that stupid INT build. Get out and stop talking about SRO, look at all the posts you make, there like a page long each... Just let people do what they want to do in SRO and stop always trying to defend 70:70 its not as great as you guys say it is, just let people choose by not spamming every topic with stupid stuff.

lol ..
you get owned

If it's a stupid game and it's waste of time can you tell me Why you play it ? Why you are very angery from 70:70 build ? why you participate here in this forum ? !!!!!!!!

And you want us stop talking about it and not spamming formulas and researches about the builds when people ask about what's build to do and wanna us let people choose theirselfs , Can you tell me Why you spam in every topic in the forum this noob word : " Pure STR bow ?!!!!!!

I just prove with more than one evidance that JM made chinese to be more hybrid and that Chinese Bow is Totaly hybrid weapon , Can you prove by any way that your STR bow is the best choice and 70:70 sux instead of spamming noob objection at all our posts about hybrid ?

I couldn't agree more with elnawai.
I have noticed in every "70:70 or Pure STR" darkmaster is spamming about how sh*t 70:70 is...

Quote:

Get out and stop talking about SRO

Quote:

look at all the posts you make

DarkMaster....YOUR the one with 1000+ posts :banghead:

Jadekiss · **Posted:** Wed Nov 21, 2007 7:04 pm

lol its Darkmaster again with is "freaky love" for a str Bow !
In almost all Thread with bows you can see him saying: Str Bow FTW
lol ? I always own all str build bows with a simple gear
But well dont mind me

darkmaster21 · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 2156 **Location:**

Jadekiss wrote:

lol its Darkmaster again with is "freaky love" for a str Bow !
In almost all Thread with bows you can see him saying: Str Bow FTW
lol ? I always own all str build bows with a simple gear
But well dont mind me

...ok...

Hasbin · **Joined:** Sep 2006 **Posts:** 230 **Location:**

MrFudge wrote:

Anyway, I watched Undutchables 2 vids on his pure str bow and his 70:70 bow. It was easy using his vids cuz they both used the same bow, and were both under his youtube account.

Just to add:

Undutchable had fire mastery at 70 with his 70:70 bow => lots of dmg loss.
And his pacheon wasnt maxed either. And he was 79.
His pure str was farmed i think.

Use Liquidsmooth's vids as refference for (str) hybrids, you will see his dmg pwns a pure str his'. The only thing hybrids lose is hp.

MrFudge · **Joined:** Jan 2007 **Posts:** 5731 **Location:** None

Hasbin wrote:

MrFudge wrote:

Anyway, I watched Undutchables 2 vids on his pure str bow and his 70:70 bow. It was easy using his vids cuz they both used the same bow, and were both under his youtube account.

Just to add:

Undutchable had fire mastery at 70 with his 70:70 bow => lots of dmg loss.
And his pacheon wasnt maxed either. And he was 79.
His pure str was farmed i think.

Use Liquidsmooth's vids as refference for (str) hybrids, you will see his dmg pwns a pure str his'. The only thing hybrids lose is hp.

liquid is a STR heavy hybrid, his phy % with gears is up to 96%.
we're talking about 70:70.

and liquids damage hardly 'pwns' pure str's damage.
if i remember correctly a pure str bow outdamage him in the highest damage contest, he flipped a shit and got banned from the forums.

IMO pure str is prob the best bow build.
Liquid makes hybrid str look good
Tomiotar makes 70 70 look good.

its a shame theyre all on different servers.

kate4231 · **Joined:** Oct 2007 **Posts:** 125 **Location:**

Darkmaster first of all't care what you think about my typing and second shows your evidence of why a str build is better cause outta every1 your the one who aint proved shit

Doctor_MOS · **Joined:** Apr 2007 **Posts:** 957 **Location:**

MrFudge wrote:

Hasbin wrote:

MrFudge wrote:

Anyway, I watched Undutchables 2 vids on his pure str bow and his 70:70 bow. It was easy using his vids cuz they both used the same bow, and were both under his youtube account.

Just to add:

Undutchable had fire mastery at 70 with his 70:70 bow => lots of dmg loss.
And his pacheon wasnt maxed either. And he was 79.
His pure str was farmed i think.

Use Liquidsmooth's vids as refference for (str) hybrids, you will see his dmg pwns a pure str his'. The only thing hybrids lose is hp.

liquid is a STR heavy hybrid, his phy % with gears is up to 96%.
we're talking about 70:70.

and liquids damage hardly 'pwns' pure str's damage.
if i remember correctly a pure str bow outdamage him in the highest damage contest, he flipped a shit and got banned from the forums.

IMO pure str is prob the best bow build.
Liquid makes hybrid str look good
Tomiotar makes 70 70 look good.

its a shame theyre all on different servers.

Tomiator is 1:1

Hasbin · **Joined:** Sep 2006 **Posts:** 230 **Location:**

MrFudge wrote:

IMO pure str is prob the best bow build.
Liquid makes hybrid str look good
Tomiotar makes 70 70 look good.

I agree with that :wink:

Every1 can make their bow build look good

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