rogue +warlock = ownage?

IceCrash · **Posted:** Sun Jan 13, 2008 4:11 pm

VforVendetta wrote:

IowU wrote:

rogue/warlock is almost same as 1h+warlock

but jobs u gona go down very fast... u will 1crt or 2hit ppl on 80lvl then u will get owned...

we got so much noobs in sro 99% of ppl dono how to use their chars...

if u wont be unfreezable than u will become weak at jobs and pvp

frost nova will own u when u start to prick ppl from stealth
same wit 1h+warlock cmon ppl think a bit start to freez 1h+warlocks they will get owned so easy...

i could win easly pvp wit 1h+warlock like vapore wit my chinese int hyb on spear (unfarmed) in npc eq...

its all about NOT being dumbass

Big sigh, does your oversized ego know no end? for one your a notorious bot, making anything you say not the least credible, but when you take a jab unprovoked its just plain clear to see that you are just living to annoy and piss people off, sorry about this off topic rant, just had to.

On Topic: Rogue Warlocks, what can I say other than this, if you can tank, choose warlock, if you cant tank, choose a subclass that aids you in tanking, now you may say that the impotent debuff helps you survive more cause it reduces the opponents attack power, but then again, this derives the point being a Rogue, and thats to be fast and effecient killer, and defeats the point of being invisible.

go v

CZAR · **Joined:** Nov 2007 **Posts:** 16 **Location:**

Yes...rogue+warlock = uber ownage

These guys never ever learn...dont discount something you havent tried, built or seen. Especially dont have an opinion on a topic when your rogue/warlock isnt even lower tier 8D. You mislead ppl and talk like you KNOW when you have no idea lol...

Get your warlock sub and step away from the cookie cutter builds...i've seen level 80 farmed rogues pvp level 80 farmed glaives and bladers...results vary...

The true test of any build isnt putting on a cape and saying 1, 2, 3.....go!!

Burningwolf · **Joined:** Jun 2007 **Posts:** 2583 **Location:** :|

ineedhelp wrote:

tbh i think this is fail and u will realize it later
warlocks got at least 5 debuffs u will need by the time u switch to your
daggers or xbow u are dead rouges need to be quick and just keep on attacking not debuffing or using a warlock rod they need every hit they can get from a fight

warlock/warrior works better due the fact that they got more def and they got a shield on already.

pentuim3HS · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 209 **Location:**

XemnasXD wrote:

Pred wrote:

lalallala crap.

Let's see the break down of the battle.

you stealth.
you switch to rod / destealth
you status effect which is still by chance
you switch back to daggers
you cast DD
you attack.

By the time you destealth, you will be dead.

Or you cast DD
you Stealth
you attack
You switch to rod
You stun whoever is left
You cast debuffs
You switch back to Daggers
You finish them off

If you played your way you'd be retarded

who you fighting someone with downsindrome?!... the chance of stunning with daggers is low.
so unless the person is really slow or afk... it would rarly work.
rogue - bard if you wana grind and not have to waste 250k on speed pots.
rogue - cleric if you dont mind farming the SP and want to help people out.

___ONLY___ · **Joined:** Aug 2007 **Posts:** 344 **Location:**

As a rogue, your not like a blader that needs more damage or something :roll:

going with warlock is just bullshit imo
bard ftw

XemnasXD · **Posted:** Sun Jan 13, 2008 6:21 pm

pentuim3HS wrote:

XemnasXD wrote:

Pred wrote:

lalallala crap.

Let's see the break down of the battle.

you stealth.
you switch to rod / destealth
you status effect which is still by chance
you switch back to daggers
you cast DD
you attack.

By the time you destealth, you will be dead.

Or you cast DD
you Stealth
you attack
You switch to rod
You stun whoever is left
You cast debuffs
You switch back to Daggers
You finish them off

If you played your way you'd be retarded

who you fighting someone with downsindrome?!... the chance of stunning with daggers is low.
so unless the person is really slow or afk... it would rarly work.
rogue - bard if you wana grind and not have to waste 250k on speed pots.
rogue - cleric if you dont mind farming the SP and want to help people out.

I could be fighting you....the person who doesn't know that warlocks can cast stun...it'd be a nice surprise...your face would look like this :shock:

Burningwolf · **Joined:** Jun 2007 **Posts:** 2583 **Location:** :|

XemnasXD wrote:

Pred wrote:

lalallala crap.

Let's see the break down of the battle.

you stealth.
you switch to rod / destealth
you status effect which is still by chance
you switch back to daggers
you cast DD
you attack.

By the time you destealth, you will be dead.

lol
i personally think almost anything will work, if the player is gooe enough
i rather choose Rogue/Bard since im not good enough

Or you cast DD
you Stealth
you attack
You switch to rod
You stun whoever is left
You cast debuffs
You switch back to Daggers
You finish them off

If you played your way you'd be retarded

who you fighting someone with downsindrome?!... the chance of stunning with daggers is low.
so unless the person is really slow or afk... it would rarly work.
rogue - bard if you wana grind and not have to waste 250k on speed pots.
rogue - cleric if you dont mind farming the SP and want to help people out.

I could be fighting you....the person who doesn't know that warlocks can cast stun...it'd be a nice surprise...your face would look like this :shock:

[/quote]
lol,
i think almost any build is good enough, if the player is good
but i rather choose Rogue/Cleric since its a simple and effective build
and
BOOOOH no more quote pyramids >.<

DaZzY · **Joined:** Mar 2007 **Posts:** 1357

the_wicked wrote:

Allig2948 wrote:

Personally I think it would be a great build.

With the status the warlock gives you and the power the rogue, looks to me it will pwn ass.

but u dont need statuses to 1 hit as a rogue -.-

only useful thing in the warlock tree would be the razes and sleep, 20sec sleep then add impotent and division and decay then switch, DD and pwn. But its not as efficient as stealth + prick

True i think any rogue should go Bard as second class, i can kill any int build with a prick no matter what, i kill my GM in one shot and he is sun s/s and 3 peices sun protecter. also i can kill anyone str with 2 skills or one crit

Go rogue/bard

Naigasakis_Rebirth · **Joined:** Nov 2007 **Posts:** 435 **Location:**

rogues dont survive long enough to spam debuffs on someone before attacking. The issue lies in the use of extreme and desperation. You have to switch to your warlock, which is fine because u have a shield and alot of life. But then you have to switch back to your daggers or xbow THEN cast desperation or extreme respectively THEN start attacking. After casting you damage spells your pretty much a one shot.

XemnasXD · **Posted:** Sun Jan 13, 2008 9:48 pm

Naigasakis_Rebirth wrote:

rogues dont survive long enough to spam debuffs on someone before attacking. The issue lies in the use of extreme and desperation. You have to switch to your warlock, which is fine because u have a shield and alot of life. But then you have to switch back to your daggers or xbow THEN cast desperation or extreme respectively THEN start attacking. After casting you damage spells your pretty much a one shot.

If you debuff someone you probably won't need to cast DD or EX unless you want to overkill....

I think Warlock sub-class would work best if your in a situation where you still want to deal out good damage but can't afford to cut your HP and Defenses. Say group fighting for example. If you've taken down the easy people (ints) and are having trouble killing warriors or Bladers switch to Warlock rod, stun, debuff, and continue the fight dealing good damage but without the lack of health or Def.....it'll take quick fingers and smart playing to know when to swtich but ti think it would be worth it if you put enough time into it...

/Pi · **Joined:** May 2007 **Posts:** 4592 **Location:**

What most people assume about this Rogue/Warlock build is that the player needs to cast the debuffs on the sole target. This build can do it but it's completely unnecessary, since the Rogue class alone can already inflict deadly damage to people with prick + combo. Just as the few have already pointed out, subclasses are used to compensate weaknesses.

By how the gameplay is turning out, Rogue is designed to execute silent instant kills, greatly helped by the DD or CE skills. And as it turns out in most cases, rogues usually get only one kill. After the destealth, you're merely a sitting duck. At this point in PVP, wars, or jobs, enters the uses of sub-classes. To survive the kill's aftermath, you can activate the Cleric skills that aid you in defense and HP recovery. If you have Bard as the sub-class, you can have the Moving March to escape and fight for another day. When Warlock is your style, take out the rest with stuns, sleep, or slumber, then debuffs.

We already know what Rogues can do against one enemy. We want to know what they can do after the kill.

jay0303 · **Joined:** Sep 2007 **Posts:** 1047 **Location:**

u don't need to make them sleep get a cross bow rape them from far away before they get to you

Malicious · **Joined:** Dec 2007 **Posts:** 717 **Location:**

In my opinion, if you dont wanna die fast and kill in 1 shot, then just go cleric/warlock. Why you ask? Just simply stun, debuff, slumber once he's off stun and then pure offering him. If they dont have a shield, then its sudden ownage. Why wont you die fast? Use self healing skills that act as auto pots and bless spell to tank. You are pure ownage.

Cerus · **Joined:** Nov 2006 **Posts:** 1002 **Location:**

Rogue itself is powerful enough.
What you need is surviability.
Rogue + Warlock = Ownage?
True but u die in war and sometimes during grind.
Rogue + Bard = Good PvE Build
Rogue + Cleric = Good PvP & PvE Build

Note: Any build that takes Cleric Sub is good.

thegame1 · **Joined:** Jan 2008 **Posts:** 4

Warlock and rogue will be one of the best combination in game .... WHY
many people are talking about the Getting killed before debuff... NOW lets see at lvl 80 Rogue will have atleast 16k HP .... so u will not get owned for sure ... YOU debuff..... n then put the opponent to sleep stat... if it fails go for stun.... w8 for soem time put him to sleep... n i am sure u can get him to sleep if he is not clergy.... then u get 30 sec to buff... U can use DD n BOOM your opponent is DOWN

...1h sword/warlock can;t kill person with sosun but am DAMN sure u can kill lvl 80 with sosun ... when u have debuff and DD

so think n do what think is best

Rainigul · **Joined:** Mar 2007 **Posts:** 4490 **Location:**

I didn't read all the way through, but I'm assuming this isn't already mentioned.

Stealth, switch to warlock rod, slumber, if it doesn't work, then stun. Loads of debuffs, daggers, dd, stealth, prick.
Make sure to reactivate stealth, for the extra damage.

It'll be a superb 1v1 build, but 1v2 or more, the sub is worthless (actually, not really, use slumber on the other guy, and then kill the first, then debuff the other one, and kill 'im

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Malicious · **Joined:** Dec 2007 **Posts:** 717 **Location:**

IMO this build wouldn't work because Prick in stealth mode is the strongest move a Rogue has. By having to debuff the opponent, you'd lose that advantage.

Rainigul · **Joined:** Mar 2007 **Posts:** 4490 **Location:**

[MS]Malicious wrote:

IMO this build wouldn't work because Prick in stealth mode is the strongest move a Rogue has. By having to debuff the opponent, you'd lose that advantage.

That's why you restealth

Embodiment · **Joined:** Mar 2007 **Posts:** 298 **Location:**

[MS]Malicious wrote:

IMO this build wouldn't work because Prick in stealth mode is the strongest move a Rogue has. By having to debuff the opponent, you'd lose that advantage.

Hehe, a warlock/rouge would have a greater advantage he doesn't lose nothing, he can walk right out of the safezone unstealth, stun someone then "desperation" to kill them it's as simple as that. Then just because his a warlock/rouge doesn't mean his not a rouge lol

Quote:

this build wouldn't work because Prick in stealth mode is the strongest move a Rogue has

he can still stealth mode lol his a rouge...the warlock skills just gives him other means of killing then just doing the same thing.

Lordkraven · **Joined:** Jun 2007 **Posts:** 19 **Location:**

Speedy wrote:

Almost all euros go down in jobs quickly especially without cleric help

LOL so u can tank like 25k critical from rogues?
Or 26k from wizards? ...

Tell me, the euros are away? or u attacked from behind when the euro pvp with other?

Prick frosta nova in stealth .... interesting, u have % to freezy some one ... but if u fail u die

btw rogue + warlock ... i dont think so, but u can try with daggers only ... because with ur xbow u kill better with range
It would be nice if u sleep or stun the other before ur prick
Remember with dagger despearate u have 70% dmg increase, so warlock debuffs won't help u much .. u don't need debuffs to kill faster ... or die faster ^^

unreal77 · **Joined:** Jan 2008 **Posts:** 15

I remind you... you cant put debuffs at fire/crystal walled chinese. You will die first then a fire/crystal wall.

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