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DeathBeforeDishonor
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Post subject: Blader vs. Bower vs. Glaiver? Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 2:48 am |
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Okay well as I'm full farming my Chinese str character I wanna be certain to pick the right build. I kinda have always like bladers but I know that I couldn't put up with a build that can't really kill others. I'm considering making a bower or maybe even glaiver. Probably not a glaiver though. So here are a few questions I have #1 - Could a bower be succesful in PvP with higher ice than lightning Example: something like 68 Ice, 52 Light? Something around there, give or take a few levels. I know bowers use light to keep distance between them and thier enemies. But would being able to tank that much more be better than a few phantom meters, a little parry ratio and a bit better move speed? #2 - Using force for blade/bower/glaiver.. Would a blader be good with froce because of the vital spot and all that? Might be able to do some damage? Would a bower be any good with force? My guess is no unless your a healer.. Thats not what I wanna be though. Also Glaiver with force? Yay or nay? #3 - As a bower what would I have trouble killing in PvP? And if there is any other addition key things I probably don't know could you please add them to  Thanks for helping.
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Post subject: Re: Blader vs. Bower vs. Glaiver? Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 4:45 am |
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Bladers own at this cap, quad stab will kill anyone, maybe not on the first KD but the only thing a Blader will die from is a force glaive with VERY good gear.
I saw a lvl 90 blader with a 85+5 blade and shield vs a lvl 90 glaive with a 85+11 yes +11 pvp a few days ago. The blader won the first fight and the glaive won the 2nd so even with worse equip the blader can still own anyone.
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Post subject: Re: Blader vs. Bower vs. Glaiver? Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 5:31 am |
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TeamLosi wrote: Bladers own at this cap, quad stab will kill anyone, maybe not on the first KD but the only thing a Blader will die from is a force glaive with VERY good gear.
I saw a lvl 90 blader with a 85+5 blade and shield vs a lvl 90 glaive with a 85+11 yes +11 pvp a few days ago. The blader won the first fight and the glaive won the 2nd so even with worse equip the blader can still own anyone. I have a feeling that it would have been a very very long pot fight.
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Post subject: Re: Blader vs. Bower vs. Glaiver? Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 6:17 am |
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I was just about to make a Topic just like this. I was also wondering, which Chinese Str build would be best at PvP at FF 90. I have heard from numerous people that have 90 FF chars that Bladers own at 90cap because of the 4th stab (as the above post says) and phy atk increase. So as of now, im siding towards Blader.
Just recently I saw a 90 FF Blader with Sun Blade/Shield PvP against a 90 FF Archer with Sun Bow, however the Archer had lvl 80+ cleric buffs, and heals. It was a pot fight (even though the blader did a 17k crit), mainly because if the Archers health went low, he would get healed. So Archer + Cleric Vs Blader = Pot War, then Archer vs Blader, the Blader would surley win?
Btw, why isn't there a Blader 90 Bicheon/90 Light/90 Fire/ 30 Cold option? I would choose that build, however im not sure whether 90 Force instead of 90 Light would be stronger.
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Post subject: Re: Blader vs. Bower vs. Glaiver? Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 6:48 am |
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Yeah I will deffintly pick blader if it is possible to kill and not pot fight with every build but int spears and stuff. Thats boring haha.
Can someone please tell me whats better out of these to builds?
Bich/fire/force 90, Cold or light 90 or Bich/fire 90, ice around 70, light around 50
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Post subject: Re: Blader vs. Bower vs. Glaiver? Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 2:21 pm |
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Force is for Blader (maybe bower too), IMO. With force, a blader has LOTS of ways to inflict different statuses (2 ways for bleed, division and impotent). Bowers crit very hard with force but they somewhat lack defense.
Also, glaivers need high ice, so there's no place for force with a glaiver. Builds: 90 fire / 90 force / 90 bicheon (or, maybe pacheon) / 30 ice (can go STR hybrid with a blade too, to increase damage). 90 fire / 90 bicheon or heuksal / 72 (or 68) ice / 48 (or 52) light 90 fire / 90 pacheon / 90 light / 30 ice . Only pacheons can afford to go max light at this cap, because of the arrow combos. It's possible to build a max light pacheon for the huge mobility, but I still like 72 ice / 48 light more.
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Post subject: Re: Blader vs. Bower vs. Glaiver? Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 12:53 am |
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Stress wrote: Force is for Blader (maybe bower too), IMO. With force, a blader has LOTS of ways to inflict different statuses (2 ways for bleed, division and impotent). Bowers crit very hard with force but they somewhat lack defense.
Also, glaivers need high ice, so there's no place for force with a glaiver. Builds: 90 fire / 90 force / 90 bicheon (or, maybe pacheon) / 30 ice (can go STR hybrid with a blade too, to increase damage). 90 fire / 90 bicheon or heuksal / 72 (or 68) ice / 48 (or 52) light 90 fire / 90 pacheon / 90 light / 30 ice . Only pacheons can afford to go max light at this cap, because of the arrow combos. It's possible to build a max light pacheon for the huge mobility, but I still like 72 ice / 48 light more. What do you think would be better out of 72 Ice, 48 Light or 68 Ice, 52 Light? I'm kinda really keen on blader but I can't put up with build that can't kill someone else in PvP, some people say that's bs, some say it's exactly right. I'm not sure if they just kept the reputation from the 80 cap and now it's not so true or not alot has changed. These are the builds I'm learning towards right now: Bich/Fire 90, Ice 70, Light 50 (give or take 2 levels) Bich/Fire/Force 90, Ice 30 Pach/Fire/Light 90, Ice 30 Pach/Fire 90, Ice 70, Light 50 (give or take 2 levels) I had a glaiver once and didn't like him so switched to bower.  I've never had a blader before, not past level 30. And also never had a force character.
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Post subject: Re: Blader vs. Bower vs. Glaiver? Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 2:26 am |
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Stress wrote: Force is for Blader (maybe bower too), IMO. With force, a blader has LOTS of ways to inflict different statuses (2 ways for bleed, division and impotent). Bowers crit very hard with force but they somewhat lack defense.
Also, glaivers need high ice, so there's no place for force with a glaiver. Builds: 90 fire / 90 force / 90 bicheon (or, maybe pacheon) / 30 ice (can go STR hybrid with a blade too, to increase damage). 90 fire / 90 bicheon or heuksal / 72 (or 68) ice / 48 (or 52) light 90 fire / 90 pacheon / 90 light / 30 ice . Only pacheons can afford to go max light at this cap, because of the arrow combos. It's possible to build a max light pacheon for the huge mobility, but I still like 72 ice / 48 light more. I guess not many pvp bladers with max firewall on...yeah immune to debuff...but the reason I use it is to stop there kd...yup 90% of the times bladers can't use the final stab on me..or any stab.... The firewall is destroy in about 2-3 chains or in about 4-5 attempts of kd...so yeah I might get stab once..so recast  and I can continue what i was doing..Emperor,soul...I'm 99.99999% a blader can never kill me if I keep casting the fire wall...but I may not win depending on blader gear cuz I allow almost full repot after every cast of the firewall. its kind of sad that bladers most power skill can hardly be use at all.
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Post subject: Re: Blader vs. Bower vs. Glaiver? Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 4:33 am |
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I don't like the idea of firewall but yeah useful in some curcumstances. Though if your vs.ing say a nuker or bow user then fire wall, they take a step back you sit there looking like an idiot. but yeah hmm if your glaiver and I was a blader and someone uses a firewall it's simple as moving away and if it's in a job/guild war situation or what ever then get a mate to totally wreck the fire wall then you have 2 people on you ^^ but hmm. I kinda think firewall can help you defend yourself but can also take away your abaility to kill or even damage someone.
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Post subject: Re: Blader vs. Bower vs. Glaiver? Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 4:40 am |
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Oh and Stress, what do you think is better
72 Ice, 48 Light or 68 Ice, 52 Light?
Right now I'm most keen on these builds.. Force blader Bich/Fire 90, Light 48/52, Ice 72/68
and possibly a bower of some sort. Probably something around Pach/Fire 90, Ice 68, Light 52
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Post subject: Re: Blader vs. Bower vs. Glaiver? Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 4:11 am |
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TehUrbanNinja wrote: I don't like the idea of firewall but yeah useful in some curcumstances. Though if your vs.ing say a nuker or bow user then fire wall, they take a step back you sit there looking like an idiot. but yeah hmm if your glaiver and I was a blader and someone uses a firewall it's simple as moving away and if it's in a job/guild war situation or what ever then get a mate to totally wreck the fire wall then you have 2 people on you ^^ but hmm. I kinda think firewall can help you defend yourself but can also take away your abaility to kill or even damage someone. Thats why is mainly effective in PVP vs bladers/2hand...totally worthless in group fights...and yes casting firewall does lower that chance of killing cuz of the slow casting time....but the point i'm trying to make is that a Blader probably never kill anyone that keeps casting max firewall. (or at least pure str) All the stabs become useless since u cannot be kd.
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Post subject: Re: Blader vs. Bower vs. Glaiver? Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 7:30 am |
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Ragnorak wrote: TehUrbanNinja wrote: I don't like the idea of firewall but yeah useful in some curcumstances. Though if your vs.ing say a nuker or bow user then fire wall, they take a step back you sit there looking like an idiot. but yeah hmm if your glaiver and I was a blader and someone uses a firewall it's simple as moving away and if it's in a job/guild war situation or what ever then get a mate to totally wreck the fire wall then you have 2 people on you ^^ but hmm. I kinda think firewall can help you defend yourself but can also take away your abaility to kill or even damage someone. Thats why is mainly effective in PVP vs bladers/2hand...totally worthless in group fights...and yes casting firewall does lower that chance of killing cuz of the slow casting time....but the point i'm trying to make is that a Blader probably never kill anyone that keeps casting max firewall. (or at least pure str) All the stabs become useless since u cannot be kd. Oh I get what your saying now, yeah true. Though I don't think many people do so I shouldn't have anything to worry about but oh well. If they do I'll work something out haha. I'm having alot of trouble choosing between Bich/Fire/ 90, Ice 72, Light 48 and Bich/Fire/Force 90, Ice 30
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