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 Post subject: spear PROBLEM... NEED EXPERTS IN SPEAR BUILDS..
PostPosted: Sun May 25, 2008 5:50 pm 
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What do u think about 90 fire 90 heuskal 60 light 60 cold?

give ur opinions...

if u think it won't work give reasons and give other builds for spear plz

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 Post subject: Re: spear PROBLEM... NEED EXPERTS IN SPEAR BUILDS..
PostPosted: Sun May 25, 2008 5:54 pm 
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are you pure int or hybrid?


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 Post subject: Re: spear PROBLEM... NEED EXPERTS IN SPEAR BUILDS..
PostPosted: Sun May 25, 2008 7:01 pm 
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Not enough defense, 40% will be low at 90, you are loosing 3% of magical attack increase which cant be compared to the dmg you would get with fire and without the light.

90 Light - 90 Ice - 90 Heuksal.

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PostPosted: Sun May 25, 2008 7:33 pm 
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Definitely. You can also benefit greatly from the 53% snow shield, as opposed to the 40% one (at level 60). Also, the physical defense boost at 90 is considerable.

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 Post subject: Re: spear PROBLEM... NEED EXPERTS IN SPEAR BUILDS..
PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2008 12:50 am 
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i think it would depend on ur build. if ur a 5:1 or 7:1 hyb u could probly pull it off but it would never work with a pure int

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 Post subject: Re: spear PROBLEM... NEED EXPERTS IN SPEAR BUILDS..
PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2008 1:00 am 
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Definitely. You can also benefit greatly from the 53% snow shield, as opposed to the 40% one (at level 60). Also, the physical defense boost at 90 is considerable.


And I will show what he means in terms of numbers :P

Lvl 60 Cold mastery:

- Power guard of ice lvl 7 - Physical defence power 42 Increase

- Cold Armor (The passive) lvl 6 - Physical defence power 42 Increase

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84 phy defence increase in total

Lvl 90 Cold mastery:

- Might guard of ice Lvl 12 - Physical defence power 132 Increase

- Cold Armor (The passive) lvl 9 - Physical defence power 132 Increase

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264 phy defence increase in total.

Which is 180 phy defence more than cold 60. I also like to think of snowshield as something like an Hp increase buff.. because it is when you look at it. If a lvl 80 Pure INT char has 10k hp, with 50% snow shield he would have 20k hp.. virtually.

Overall the 60 Light/Ice should do better for a hybrid INT character since it would only benefit from the Phy defence and not the snowshield if you took Ice to 90. A hybrid won't handle the 53% absorption.

I also want to mention the ability for a pure INT char with 90 Cold to wear Garment which, apart from making up for the loss of mag defense from dropping fire (which even for a Pure INT char matters) it will make you an absolute tank against other INT chars. And lets face it - no non-sun glavier can kill a Pure INT with 90 cold in snowshield, and just about ANY glavier can kill it out of snow shield, so might aswell drop them Prots and loose a small part of phy defence for the rather high boost in magical defence that garments would give you.

Uhm.. I think I got carried away alittle. :D



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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2008 7:32 am 
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LockStar. wrote:
Not enough defense, 40% will be low at 90, you are loosing 3% of magical attack increase which cant be compared to the dmg you would get with fire and without the light.

90 Light - 90 Ice - 90 Heuksal.


lol tis is 10000000th time i explaining
90fire 60light DOES NOT lose to 90light in terms of nuke dmg

1.fire imbue > light imbue (quite alot of dmg diff)
2. 90 flame wave wide 330% > 90 new light nuke 300% (same dmg range, fire smaller and light bigger range)

and 90 flame wave buring 300% will prolly be ard same dmg as 90 new light nuke

and above two more than enough to offset 3% dmg diff
lets say u hit 10k or 15k, 3% is juz 300 or 450 diff, i'm sure imbue + nuke dmg diff will be more than that


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90light 90ice for pure int or 8:1 above ( u need the 264 phy def and high snow)
wear prot if u wanna surivie abit better when snow cd period, garm if u wanna make best use of snow

60light 60ice 90fire for 2:1 to 6:1 ( u cant use past 40% snow anywayz, usually 35%, and fire phy attack buff as bonus)
wear prot (or maybe, juz maybe, armour) for sure, u hv enough mag def from fire90 but little phy def

oh and 90/90/60/60 is always the sp saving builds, at least 100k+ sp less than a 90/90/90/30 build

btw i'm hving a 5.5 : 1 going 60light 60ice 90fire (mine needs 578k sp, 90/90/90/30 needs 680k-700k)
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juz an advice, go pure int all the way till 80 den add all the str, u lvl up faster that way

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 Post subject: Re: spear PROBLEM... NEED EXPERTS IN SPEAR BUILDS..
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Most probably you are right, it doesn't make a difference... for a 5.5 hybrid or what was it. :roll:

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LockStar. wrote:
Most probably you are right, it doesn't make a difference... for a 5.5 hybrid or what was it. :roll:


am sure of that :P

but ultimate i believe a pure int spear is the best
spear nuker has to kill enemy within snowshield time or its really dangerous w/o snow

and pure int spear has the higher chance to kill enemy off in short time than hybrid int

hybrid int depends on nuke, nuke, and then ghost/soul crit to finish off enemy, whereas pure int depend much less on crit as its imbued non-crit attack is already v high

too bad i already put 15 str, if not i would definitely go for pure int 90light 90ice 90spear

my 80 blader hv alot of pvp with pure int/7:1/5:1 spear

pure int is most dangerous and has fair chance to kill me while 7:1, 5:1 aint that great really, unless they hv extremely great gears (like +6 gears wif +7 spear)

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 Post subject: Re: spear PROBLEM... NEED EXPERTS IN SPEAR BUILDS..
PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2008 6:35 pm 
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CLOT wrote:
LockStar. wrote:
Most probably you are right, it doesn't make a difference... for a 5.5 hybrid or what was it. :roll:


am sure of that :P

but ultimate i believe a pure int spear is the best
spear nuker has to kill enemy within snowshield time or its really dangerous w/o snow

and pure int spear has the higher chance to kill enemy off in short time than hybrid int

hybrid int depends on nuke, nuke, and then ghost/soul crit to finish off enemy, whereas pure int depend much less on crit as its imbued non-crit attack is already v high

too bad i already put 15 str, if not i would definitely go for pure int 90light 90ice 90spear

my 80 blader hv alot of pvp with pure int/7:1/5:1 spear

pure int is most dangerous and has fair chance to kill me while 7:1, 5:1 aint that great really, unless they hv extremely great gears (like +6 gears wif +7 spear)


i find hybrid spear 1:5 better then pure int.
becasue they dont have to always use nuke to do high damage they have weapon skills to help alot.
most pure int i pvped dont constanly use nukes most of them use weapon skills more then they nuke.
nukes take to long to cast....
only pure int with sosun constanly nukes around 2-3 nukes its over...

so i think why be pure int if your not gona nuke that much why not be hybrid int for strong nukes and strong weapon attakes.


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 Post subject: Re: spear PROBLEM... NEED EXPERTS IN SPEAR BUILDS..
PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2008 7:18 pm 
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Me too...I have a lv 34 spear player. Should I go str or int?


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 Post subject: Re: spear PROBLEM... NEED EXPERTS IN SPEAR BUILDS..
PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2008 9:31 pm 
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alcoholic wrote:
CLOT wrote:
LockStar. wrote:
Most probably you are right, it doesn't make a difference... for a 5.5 hybrid or what was it. :roll:


am sure of that :P

but ultimate i believe a pure int spear is the best
spear nuker has to kill enemy within snowshield time or its really dangerous w/o snow

and pure int spear has the higher chance to kill enemy off in short time than hybrid int

hybrid int depends on nuke, nuke, and then ghost/soul crit to finish off enemy, whereas pure int depend much less on crit as its imbued non-crit attack is already v high

too bad i already put 15 str, if not i would definitely go for pure int 90light 90ice 90spear

my 80 blader hv alot of pvp with pure int/7:1/5:1 spear

pure int is most dangerous and has fair chance to kill me while 7:1, 5:1 aint that great really, unless they hv extremely great gears (like +6 gears wif +7 spear)


i find hybrid spear 1:5 better then pure int.
becasue they dont have to always use nuke to do high damage they have weapon skills to help alot.
most pure int i pvped dont constanly use nukes most of them use weapon skills more then they nuke.
nukes take to long to cast....
only pure int with sosun constanly nukes around 2-3 nukes its over...

so i think why be pure int if your not gona nuke that much why not be hybrid int for strong nukes and strong weapon attakes.



A 1.5 INT hybrid would deal higher damage than a Pure INT only in Crits, in regular (Non-crit) damage - The Pure INT will out-damage the hybrid, in most IF not all cases.

And well.. both wont last long without Snow. If you fail to kill your opponent as fast as possible, you will get raped.

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 Post subject: Re: spear PROBLEM... NEED EXPERTS IN SPEAR BUILDS..
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Am pretty sure that 1:5 hybrid int doing weapon skills will do more damage then a pure int using weapon skills without crits....
you maybe right becsaue of pure int imbue....
i going to test this out ....


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alcoholic wrote:
Am pretty sure that 1:5 hybrid int doing weapon skills will do more damage then a pure int using weapon skills without crits....
you maybe right becsaue of pure int imbue....
i going to test this out ....


lockstar dun lie :P
and fr my pvp, pure int wif imbue's weapon skill dmg more than hybrid int
and the diff is quite alot between a pure int and 2:1

hybrid only do better crits and more hp, thats all

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