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 Post subject: Why are europes so god damn hard to level?!
PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 2:32 pm 
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Seriously, i made 3 europe chars so far, i didnt finish either.
A Rouge, left at lvl 87, cuz i got really sick of party grind with unknown people *the DCs the lack of slots etc..*, or solo at 5-6 lvl lower mobs.
A Bard that keps dying at 7 lvl lower mobs, which is just lame.. i cant buy vigors for every route of grinding..its just waste of money. I dont want to get plvled, its a burden for me, not some1 else.
A Wizard...just..no comment.

I mean, any1 has an advice or something..cuz i want an europe char really i just dont seem to find a way to make it :/

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 2:55 pm 
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Euro's are meant to party grind. That's what they excel at.

At lvl 87 you should've bought pimped out gear. Seeing as how it's like the last tier. Your weapon should've been at least +5. I'm not sure why you had trouble soloing.


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 Post subject: Re: Why are europes so god damn hard to level?!
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Seriously, you must simply totally suck at grinding. It's impossible in my books to die using a bard at mobs 7 lvls lower unless you get 2-3 mobs attacking you at once and one of them is either a giant or a party, even then it's hard. With a rogue, a pure STR, you hunt at mobs 5-6 lvls lower when you are 87? Sorry but, what the hell? Euros are not hard to grind AT ALL. The only advice I can give you is: Quit your whining and go learn how to play ffs. Sorry for being mean, I couldn't resist it.

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i dont understand how you have a lvl 87 and dont know how to play
a rogue is arguably the best pve build
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i dont understand how you have a lvl 87 and dont know how to play
a rogue is arguably the best pve build
especialy if your xbow/bard

I don't know how you play to level 87 and do not know that your build is roGUe and not roUGe.

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REBD wrote:
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i dont understand how you have a lvl 87 and dont know how to play
a rogue is arguably the best pve build
especialy if your xbow/bard

I don't know how you play to level 87 and do not know that your build is roGUe and not roUGe.

1. typing erros do not reflect my knowledge or skills of the game
2. where do you see that i said rouge?
3. its a simple mistake no need to flame about it

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 Post subject: Re: Why are europes so god damn hard to level?!
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Intentions wrote:
1. typing erros do not reflect my knowledge or skills of the game
Agreed.

2. where do you see that i said rouge?
It's not you. It's malecka:
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A Rouge, left at lvl 87, cuz i got really sick of party grind with unknown people *the DCs the lack of slots etc..*, or solo at 5-6 lvl lower mobs.


3. its a simple mistake no need to flame about it
True, though he was not flaming in my opinion, he was more like making a observation.

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 Post subject: Re: Why are europes so god damn hard to level?!
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Intentions wrote:
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i dont understand how you have a lvl 87 and dont know how to play
a rogue is arguably the best pve build
especialy if your xbow/bard

I don't know how you play to level 87 and do not know that your build is roGUe and not roUGe.

1. typing erros do not reflect my knowledge or skills of the game
2. where do you see that i said rouge?
3. its a simple mistake no need to flame about it

I quoted you because i agree with you. I think I did not express myself as I should have, sry :)
I mean that he is the one that does not know his build, and people call them rouge all the time and that is very annoying for me that is the reason of my post, sry again for the misunderstanding :)

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 Post subject: Re: Why are europes so god damn hard to level?!
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i dont understand how you have a lvl 87 and dont know how to play
a rogue is arguably the best pve build
especialy if your xbow/bard


I totally agree with you.


Rogues are probably the best to solo with among all the Euro classes. I've tried several Euro builds, and I have yet to have a problem with them. The only one I can slightly see anyone could have trouble with is a wizard simply because they are extremely squishy.

And this rogue is level 87 and you still don't know how to play him? :roll:

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 Post subject: Re: Why are europes so god damn hard to level?!
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wow..what a fkin flame
chill
i play for years now but i just really dont know how to grind with europe *obviously THIS IS WHY I MADE THE TOPIC*
that was for the idiot that called me stupid or w.e
uhm as for the rest rouge/rogue kinda uhm..same..like armour/armor ..its up to ur will how u gonna type, learn some english

as for the REASON of the topic
the ROUGE i had, +5 nice crit xbow, im a freak about equip so it was almost all +5 and so so blued *not perfect*
still, the crit that antinokes do, and stuff...just ridiculous for solo grind..
the bard ..is lvl 27.. so i couldnt really chose a place to grind...i gave up

still my oppinion is that europes are way too hard to solo... and once again i didnt make this topic to whine, i made it to ask for advices

_!_ to the flamer, no offense kiddo

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 Post subject: Re: Why are europes so god damn hard to level?!
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PocketSunshine wrote:
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i dont understand how you have a lvl 87 and dont know how to play
a rogue is arguably the best pve build
especialy if your xbow/bard


I totally agree with you.


Rogues are probably the best to solo with among all the Euro classes. I've tried several Euro builds, and I have yet to have a problem with them. The only one I can slightly see anyone could have trouble with is a wizard simply because they are extremely squishy.

And this rogue is level 87 and you still don't know how to play him? :roll:


pfarm+plvl..i started it at 82 =)
everything was fine till i moved to rock mt..

edit: oh and like it really matters how i mistype or stuff like that, im not on a grammar forum..

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 Post subject: Re: Why are europes so god damn hard to level?!
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malecka wrote:
wow..what a fkin flame
chill
i play for years now but i just really dont know how to grind with europe *obviously THIS IS WHY I MADE THE TOPIC*
that was for the idiot that called me stupid or w.e
uhm as for the rest rouge/rogue kinda uhm..same..like armour/armor ..its up to ur will how u gonna type, learn some english

as for the REASON of the topic
the ROUGE i had, +5 nice crit xbow, im a freak about equip so it was almost all +5 and so so blued *not perfect*
still, the crit that antinokes do, and stuff...just ridiculous for solo grind..
the bard ..is lvl 27.. so i couldnt really chose a place to grind...i gave up

still my oppinion is that europes are way too hard to solo... and once again i didnt make this topic to whine, i made it to ask for advices

_!_ to the flamer, no offense kiddo

yup just like moron and idiot you can say either when talking about you

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 Post subject: Re: Why are europes so god damn hard to level?!
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you got issues dude

@other normals, im still waiting for advices.. except for blued equip and +5 wep..what else?

and plz stop offtopicing and spamming for no reason, there are forums made for people like you im sure :banghead:

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 Post subject: Re: Why are europes so god damn hard to level?!
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malecka wrote:
you got issues dude

@other normals, im still waiting for advices.. except for blued equip and +5 wep..what else?

lol yeah sure.

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I in fact gave you a advice: Go learn how to play your character. There's nothing else we can say. Euros are not hard to grind with. Also, you leveled from 82 to 87 and you didn't learn how to play it? Don't try to fool us. The only way I can see that being truth is that you have not actually played with it.

Obviously you are superior to us all sire. All we can do is bow on our knees in respect to your immense knowledge and ability.

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I in fact gave you a advice: Go learn how to play your character. There's nothing else we can say. Euros are not hard to grind with. Also, you leveled from 82 to 87 and you didn't learn how to play it? Don't try to fool us. The only way I can see that being truth is that you have not actually played with it.

Obviously you are superior to us all sire. All we can do is bow on our knees in respect to your immense knowledge and ability.


wow.. how poetic?!
i played with it, in parties, i soloed
i did everything
u can bsit as much as u want, and say im fooling u or w.e
i asked for advice
if you cant give it, dont waste our time
if you dont want to give it, avoid the topic and goodbye
seriously, people, you've got nothing else to do but flame on others?
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im not mad or anything just dissapointed..i asked for help and this is wut i get
i could get more from askin a 5 year old child for advice

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 6:33 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Why are europes so god damn hard to level?!
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What's the sub mastery for your rogue? It could explain why you're having trouble.

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malecka wrote:
Seriously, i made 3 europe chars so far, i didnt finish either.

first off, there is no finish.

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A Rogue, left at lvl 87, cuz i got really sick of party grind with unknown people *the DCs the lack of slots etc..*, or solo at 5-6 lvl lower mobs.

If you are sick of party play then there is nothing more to say, euros are party players ...
If you have to solo on mobs 5-6 lvl lower than you with a +5 set than you really must have a problem.

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A Bard that keps dying at 7 lvl lower mobs, which is just lame.. i cant buy vigors for every route of grinding..its just waste of money. I dont want to get plvled, its a burden for me, not some1 else.

If you die at 7 lvl lower players, lol is all i can say.

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A Wizard...just..no comment.

finally something I can agree with

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I mean, any1 has an advice or something..cuz i want an europe char really i just dont seem to find a way to make it :/

Warlock/Cleric 1m SP. Don't get plvl.



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You are not understanding. Again, we cannot really help you with that. Go learn how to play your character man. We can only tell you the basics which you seem to already know, so there's nothing else anyone could do to really help you. That kind of question you made is not one we can really help you with. If you knew how to play your character you'd no have problems, and we can't really teach you how to use your own character.

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Are you grinding with xbow extreme on?

With CE on you can kill mobs your level before they can even touch you. Fighting a giant or party with it on is obviously dumb though.

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What's the sub mastery for your rogue? It could explain why you're having trouble.

A rogue with no subclasses should have no problems at all when hunting. But yeah, it could explain it.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 6:42 pm 
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raphaell666 wrote:

Tasdik wrote:
Are you grinding with xbow extreme on?

With CE on you can kill mobs your level before they can even touch you. Fighting a giant or party with it on is obviously dumb though.


Which may be his problem :wink:


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1 thing, please: *her *woman *she etc..

yeah i usually grinded with xtreme on, i found it a problem for me due i dont focus alot xD

sometimes i could survive for hours, sometimes couple minutes
the hours more rare xD

its not only my problem, i have friends who are more xperienced in europe chars, they die to like hell.. if not party-grinding which is just impossible sometimes
:cry: :cry: :cry:

the bard was the one that pissed me off the most, nomatter i had cleric lvled, only bless thou, doesnt help alot, lasts 45 secs then dies :/ not even enough for a giant without zerk

im not so concerned bout my rogue, but the bard
i really wished it could work out, but i really have no nervs to walk to grind spot every 10 minutes or even less...tried party grind, same thing :/ or no cleric or dc or full.. just freakin impossible to lvl up :/
anyways thx for help and flaming.. dunno how it helps but nvm xD im polite

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Tasdik wrote:
Which may be his problem :wink:

If he knew how to play his char he'd not do that. :P

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im not so concerned bout my rogue, but the bard
i really wished it could work out, but i really have no nervs to walk to grind spot every 10 minutes or even less...tried party grind, same thing :/ or no cleric or dc or full.. just freakin impossible to lvl up :/
anyways thx for help and flaming.. dunno how it helps but nvm xD im polite

I seriously don't understand your problem. Bards/cleric are one of the best builds to grind with. You move fast, you have noise (agro mobs ignore you), you have mana cycle (heals Mp), you have healing skills, you have bless, you sometimes end up returning town to repair items with more hp/mp pots than when you went to grind. If you are facing a giant/party simply change to cleric then kill him while tanking. Bards are also extremely fun. Again, you just have to learn how to play with it.

By the way, I'm seriously sorry for losing my head. I don't know what's happening to me, lol, I'm not like that :cry: .

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the bard was the one that pissed me off the most, nomatter i had cleric lvled, only bless thou, doesnt help alot, lasts 45 secs then dies :/ not even enough for a giant without zerk

There's your problem. You shouldn't even think about taking a giant with a bard. You'll die. Bard's are to squishy and don't have a wizzy's kb/stun/freeze and their damage is a lot lower.

A bard is meant to be a support character. It also is incredible in group pvp.


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Seriously, I made 3 european chars so far, I didn't finish any.
A Rogue, left at lvl 87, cuz I got really sick of party grinding with unknown people, or soloing at mobs 5 - 6 lvls lower.
A Bard that keeps dying at mobs 7 lvls lower, which is just lame. I can't buy vigors for every route of grinding, it's just a waste of money. I don't want to get plvled; it's a burden for me, not someone else.
A Wizard...just no comment.

I mean, anyone has an advice or something, cuz I want an european char, really, I just can't seem to find a way to make it.


Like it was said before me, you really shouldn't have much of a problem grinding at mobs 5 ~ 7 lvls lower than you (disregarding giants or getting mobbed...and in those cases, you can just run).

Solo grinding a euro is so-so, not as good as chinese (in some cases). Make some friends and start a share pt together. If 8/8 pts aren't your likings, just go out and solo...just keep in mind your build's pros and cons.

Rogues shouldn't have much of a problem solo grinding at mobs 5 ~ 7 lvls higher than them. Just know when to switch off crossbow extreme / dagger desperate (at 87 and a nice set, you should be fine tanking mobs lower than you, let alone same lvl or higher).

Bards...I don't really have experience, so I can't really give much "insight" on that subject.

Yadda, yadda...only thing that's holding you back from "lvling" is a simple answer: yourself.

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There's your problem. You shouldn't even think about taking a giant with a bard. You'll die. Bard's are to squishy and don't have a wizzy's kb/stun/freeze and their damage is a lot lower.

There I disagree with you. As he is a bard/cleric, and assuming he has cleric skills (which in my opinion he must have), everything he'd need to do to kill a giant or party would be change to cleric rod / shield and then tank (with healing skills + shield) and nuke the giant/party until it dies. That's pretty easy to do. Maybe he wouldn't even need to change to cleric, simply by using healing cycle he'd be able to kill the giant.

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A bard is meant to be a support character. It also is incredible in group pvp.

Here is something I forgot to tell, and something I completely agree with. :love:

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yadda, yadda...only thing that's holding you back from "lvling" is a simple answer: yourself.

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well that is a nice answer
thank you! xD
see ppl, u can be polite too

so i need to avoid giants with bard..smart.
i really didnt get use to run from mobs with str bow, ive grinded too much with it, and i used the same feelings for europes
but running from mobs is..buhh.. ill try but...blah im already bored from it :/

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Tasdik wrote:
There's your problem. You shouldn't even think about taking a giant with a bard. You'll die. Bard's are to squishy and don't have a wizzy's kb/stun/freeze and their damage is a lot lower.

There I disagree with you. As he is a bard/cleric, and assuming he has cleric skills (which in my opinion he must have), everything he'd need to do to kill a giant or party would be change to cleric rod / shield and then tank (with healing skills + shield) and nuke the giant/party until it dies. That's pretty easy to do. Maybe he wouldn't even need to change to cleric, simply by using healing cycle he'd be able to kill the giant.

Tasdik wrote:
A bard is meant to be a support character. It also is incredible in group pvp.

Here is something I forgot to tell, and something I completely agree with. :love:

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yadda, yadda...only thing that's holding you back from "lvling" is a simple answer: yourself.

Absolutely. :)


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malecka wrote:
so i need to avoid giants with bard..smart.

Run from mobs if you are using bard, but you can easily fight them if you simply change to cleric rod / shield and/or use healing cycle.

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I'm not following here...are you a rogue/bard, rogue/cleric, or bard/cleric?

I just leveled to 78 last night on my bard/cleric, with masteries at 72 (I am still short on SP). Keeping both masteries fairly close means the bard side has semi-decent defense and decent offense, while noise and guard tambour reduce attacks. It also means recovery division heals me faster than most physical mobs can hurt me.

Whether I grind on the bard or cleric side depends on what type of mobs I fight. Physical like niya snipers or goats or shaurs = cleric. I can two or three-shot them at 77, with help from my wolf.

Magical mobs like nachals or niya mages/shamans = bard. Two shots with good gear, three if it's not so good. Again, recovery division saves me, and switching to cleric for pt's or giants is all I do. CP's or GP's are not nearly as easy though.

On the other hand if you are a rogue/bard, or rogue/cleric, I have very limited experience with that build at that level.

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