which chinese character can stand up to most euros?

gumahbear · **Joined:** Mar 2008 **Posts:** 83 **Location:**

which chinese build can stand up to most of the euro builds like warrior warlock wizard etc. doesnt have to survive through the euro fight or anything but can withstand prety much anything a euro build can throw at them please help

Nitro · **Joined:** Sep 2007 **Posts:** 4769 **Location:**

Noone can survive, but Blader has most chances

willieb3 · **Posted:** Sat Dec 06, 2008 4:36 pm

yup blader is probly the only one or 8.1 spear nuker but only against SOME euros

JKMB · **Joined:** Apr 2008 **Posts:** 822 **Location:**

Anything with good gear that can disable a lot, so either blader or an s/s nuker, maybe an archer too.
For example, I can tank Maddening without snow, but my gear is exceptional, I can tank wizards in LT in snow, and survive 2 shots outside of snow, thats as an s/s, if my gear wasnt so good, I can guarantee that maddening would probably 1 shot me, as would a wizard.

EDIT: By good gear I mean I have a lot of +6/7 stuff with perfect blues.
http://www.rev6.com/player.asp?id=51084
even then maddening from a warrior in comparable gear hits me 5k/8.1k.

Cavalorn · **Joined:** May 2008 **Posts:** 70 **Location:**

Blader in protector, or S/S nuker with maxed ice and NOT in garment. These are EU killer builds.
Against XYZ sub warlock, get yourself a cleric friend putting on holy word xD
+Bowers at 100 cap

BTW any european without holy word/spell is farked when you use maxed ice imbu/frost nova/cold wave...

Shadowfox542 · **Joined:** Jul 2008 **Posts:** 914 **Location:**

Archers can pwn warriors, but not so much the faster attacking ones. 100cap, 2 KB chains will pwn low defense builds.

Ice bladers/Ice Archers own as well, stun/kb/kd is fantastic amounts of win.

JunkBox · **Joined:** Oct 2008 **Posts:** 64 **Location:**

ice/light blader can survive the most to euros

Crowley · **Posted:** Sun Dec 07, 2008 9:25 am

Archer.

VeniVidiVici · **Joined:** Nov 2007 **Posts:** 920 **Location:** OTL

Imo Blader, Glavie, Bow and S/S. Blader has high defence, Glavie very high hp, Bow KB, S/S Snow + castle shield.

KHReborn · **Joined:** Nov 2008 **Posts:** 33 **Location:**

Bower or Blader

Strikerr · **Joined:** Dec 2008 **Posts:** 33 **Location:**

Bower and Blader with good stuff

caseyd4 · **Joined:** Apr 2007 **Posts:** 669 **Location:**

Bower Even With Lvl 30 Ice can easily take out warriors, High Level Firewall Vs Warlock (Dosent matter that your stagnant as he has range attacks anyways).

Rogues = If you see them you kill them, Fire sight thing = Useless

Clerics, now my toughest opponents esp warrior Clerics, I use freeze hope they arent smart and then use light imbue decrease parry they usually farked then switch to fire imbue and bang dead.

Ragnorak · **Joined:** Apr 2007 **Posts:** 1147 **Location:**

Every Chinese build except int.spear +5 gear and some player "skills"

Personally I have not lost 1/1 vs nonsun warrior/cleric (use shield on DD,kd,snow shield if need, vigors are not need vs non sun)
wizards- imo this is not a pvp build, period. (at least 1/1)
if they use life turnover even if bless they will die,vigors would be need it, without lifeturn over...only def. is bless spell, and dmg is "not high" enough to cause too much trouble for pure str...slow nukes will get interrupted often by either kb,kd,stun,fan can be use+vigors as well.
Rogues- Dagger, prick crit, pretty much is over...most rogues will not start with crossbow extreme,DD on.....most use xbow to kd>>>DD>>>mortal wounds I believe, this combo often bugs...meaning that even if you kd some1 they will still be able to atk you...and since they have DD on its pretty much over for them......Some rogues are easy to kill/others not, mainly rely on there high chance of getting crits.

Warlock-some say that this is "the ideal chinese killing build"
this is partially true, those that failed to use pills will probably die everytime,
those that use pills but are not properly time will probably die eveytime.
those that use pills and time it very well will likely will most of the times.

Main things I see when Chinese pvp warlocks, is that they feel that they must pill any stat they get example, Bleed,impotent, division,hidden,panic,sleep as soon as they get it.
That is the wrong way to go, this stats WILL NOT KILL YOU.
what will kill u is there other class..either daggers,2hand ect.
Timing is the utmost important vs this build and luck wouldn't hurt either.
Firewall/icewall can be helpful but its usually disable often,...warlock will run away,use xbow ect.

Puma60 · **Posted:** Sun Dec 07, 2008 7:54 pm

Blader

Devilman · **Joined:** Nov 2008 **Posts:** 531 **Location:**

anything with which u can 1 hit them before they 1 hit u.... otherwise a blader or get a cleric to buff u up with Bless spell (i <3 the skill)

Disconn3cted · **Joined:** Mar 2007 **Posts:** 3293 **Location:** WV, USA

no one will survive rogue but any bicheon character does great against warriors and wizards

hootsh · **Posted:** Sun Dec 07, 2008 10:10 pm

I vote archers.

Bladers are good but I don't think they'll do enough damage, especially against someone with cleric skills, so its always like a 50/50 chance with them.

For me as a warlock/cleric whenever I see an enemy blader I'm always like "this is gonna be interesting", but whenever I see an archer I'm like "omg ruuun!!"

pizzagirl2008 · **Posted:** Mon Dec 08, 2008 1:25 am

Ragnorak wrote:

Warlock-some say that this is "the ideal chinese killing build"
this is partially true, those that failed to use pills will probably die everytime,
those that use pills but are not properly time will probably die eveytime.
those that use pills and time it very well will likely will most of the times.

Main things I see when Chinese pvp warlocks, is that they feel that they must pill any stat they get example, Bleed,impotent, division,hidden,panic,sleep as soon as they get it.
That is the wrong way to go, this stats WILL NOT KILL YOU.
what will kill u is there other class..either daggers,2hand ect.
Timing is the utmost important vs this build and luck wouldn't hurt either.
Firewall/icewall can be helpful but its usually disable often,...warlock will run away,use xbow ect.

so whens the timing to pill off warlock's?

Disconn3cted · **Joined:** Mar 2007 **Posts:** 3293 **Location:** WV, USA

Ragnorak wrote:

Every Chinese build except int.spear +5 gear and some player "skills"

Personally I have not lost 1/1 vs nonsun warrior/cleric (use shield on DD,kd,snow shield if need, vigors are not need vs non sun)
wizards- imo this is not a pvp build, period. (at least 1/1)
if they use life turnover even if bless they will die,vigors would be need it, without lifeturn over...only def. is bless spell, and dmg is "not high" enough to cause too much trouble for pure str...slow nukes will get interrupted often by either kb,kd,stun,fan can be use+vigors as well.
Rogues- Dagger, prick crit, pretty much is over...most rogues will not start with crossbow extreme,DD on.....most use xbow to kd>>>DD>>>mortal wounds I believe, this combo often bugs...meaning that even if you kd some1 they will still be able to atk you...and since they have DD on its pretty much over for them......Some rogues are easy to kill/others not, mainly rely on there high chance of getting crits.

Warlock-some say that this is "the ideal chinese killing build"
this is partially true, those that failed to use pills will probably die everytime,
those that use pills but are not properly time will probably die eveytime.
those that use pills and time it very well will likely will most of the times.

Main things I see when Chinese pvp warlocks, is that they feel that they must pill any stat they get example, Bleed,impotent, division,hidden,panic,sleep as soon as they get it.
That is the wrong way to go, this stats WILL NOT KILL YOU.
what will kill u is there other class..either daggers,2hand ect.
Timing is the utmost important vs this build and luck wouldn't hurt either.
Firewall/icewall can be helpful but its usually disable often,...warlock will run away,use xbow ect.

those pills only take off 1 debuff at a time

warlock cast division
Chinese uses pills
warlock cast division again 1 sec later

Pericles · **Joined:** Aug 2007 **Posts:** 412 **Location:**

a zerked blader!! ofc

ranlotxac · **Joined:** Dec 2008 **Posts:** 68 **Location:** up there

bowers and bladers no question ask

SirSengir · **Joined:** Dec 2008 **Posts:** 184 **Location:**

Disconn3cted wrote:

those pills only take off 1 debuff at a time

warlock cast division
Chinese uses pills
warlock cast division again 1 sec later

You can take off about 4~5 debuffs per cooldown cycle with the pills if you know what you are doing. The only time you also really need to use pills is either when you get sleeped or when you know you're about to get farked. All it really takes is a bit of practice.

Ragnorak · **Joined:** Apr 2007 **Posts:** 1147 **Location:**

SirSengir wrote:

Disconn3cted wrote:

those pills only take off 1 debuff at a time

warlock cast division
Chinese uses pills
warlock cast division again 1 sec later

You can take off about 4~5 debuffs per cooldown cycle with the pills if you know what you are doing. The only time you also really need to use pills is either when you get sleeped or when you know you're about to get farked. All it really takes is a bit of practice.

+1 for that one

if str warlock you will only die if warlock switch to another weapon.
I wouldn't recommend using the pill to take off sleep either unless you know that you will be atk..switch to dagger+DD ect...if you pill sleep while they still debuffing you, u just wasted ur pill and warlock will know that u can't pill anything else for another 15 sec so u will most likely pill atk. when this happen.

Disconn3cted · **Joined:** Mar 2007 **Posts:** 3293 **Location:** WV, USA

SirSengir wrote:

Disconn3cted wrote:

those pills only take off 1 debuff at a time

warlock cast division
Chinese uses pills
warlock cast division again 1 sec later

You can take off about 4~5 debuffs per cooldown cycle with the pills if you know what you are doing. The only time you also really need to use pills is either when you get sleeped or when you know you're about to get farked. All it really takes is a bit of practice.

pilling off multiple debuffs is a bug and needs to be fixed and even if you pilled off 4 or 5 debuffs it takes them 5 seconds to put them back on you

SirSengir · **Joined:** Dec 2008 **Posts:** 184 **Location:**

Disconn3cted wrote:

pilling off multiple debuffs is a bug and needs to be fixed and even if you pilled off 4 or 5 debuffs it takes them 5 seconds to put them back on you

There's a lot of bugs and imbalances in this game, and aslong as they're around they will be used/abused. The pill bug, for the time being, balances out the huge advantage warlocks have over Chinese. Chinese, as a soloable race, are supposed to have the advantage in 1 vs 1; but obviously, as the creation of this thread alone already implies, that's not the case.

Anyways, sure, it might only take me 4 or 5 seconds to put back most of those debuffs, but those 4 to 5 seconds can make a huge difference. Sadly, unless the chinese is exceptionally well geared, it's mostly luck that would swing the fight into their favour, but those 4 to 5 seconds have killed me before.

LastProfet · **Joined:** Oct 2008 **Posts:** 259 **Location:**

BLADER and S/S Nuker ICE/LIGHT/BICHEON ... blader could be in garment BUT NUKER MUST BE IN PROTECTOR

Ragnorak · **Joined:** Apr 2007 **Posts:** 1147 **Location:**

Disconn3cted wrote:

SirSengir wrote:

Disconn3cted wrote:

those pills only take off 1 debuff at a time

warlock cast division
Chinese uses pills
warlock cast division again 1 sec later

You can take off about 4~5 debuffs per cooldown cycle with the pills if you know what you are doing. The only time you also really need to use pills is either when you get sleeped or when you know you're about to get farked. All it really takes is a bit of practice.

pilling off multiple debuffs is a bug and needs to be fixed and even if you pilled off 4 or 5 debuffs it takes them 5 seconds to put them back on you

you miss the point, why would I pill when warlock is still debuffing?
but if warlocks switch to dagger/and its about to atk. for example when I have all the debuff+sleep and pill off 4-5 debuff...that warlock won't be alive after 5 sec to debuff again.

Disconn3cted · **Joined:** Mar 2007 **Posts:** 3293 **Location:** WV, USA

Ragnorak wrote:

you miss the point, why would I pill when warlock is still debuffing?
but if warlocks switch to dagger/and its about to atk. for example when I have all the debuff+sleep and pill off 4-5 debuff...that warlock won't be alive after 5 sec to debuff again.

warlock can just stun you can debuff again those pills don't help much against warlock because the debuffs are too fast, they are only good against wizards fear and the bicheon debuffs

selenne · **Joined:** Jul 2008 **Posts:** 1176 **Location:**

Shadowfox542 wrote:

Archers can pwn warriors, but not so much the faster attacking ones. 100cap, 2 KB chains will pwn low defense builds.

Ice bladers/Ice Archers own as well, stun/kb/kd is fantastic amounts of win.

i used to kill u before u rush to 90 lol

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