Well it's called an Euro party coz there arent chinese allowed lol. Full euro pt gives a bonus in experience... But to answer your question that would be any kind of nuker because of the magical damage increase buff from the bards.
If you don't have a warlock, blader mabye. Not sure, but Its possible the debuffs would make up for the small damage. Otherwise, spear nuker. Close to a wizard as you can get as far as chinese are concerned. Archer has the KB support, but if its a Euro Party, there should be at least a warrior and a few sub cleric chars.
You guys are looking at this the wrong way. Instead of looking who is the best in a euro party, you have to look at who will cause the least damage to a euro party by replacing a euro that can do his job 3x as fast. Replace wizard with s/s will cause your damage to drop by a third. Replace tanker with blader will cause your party to die. Replace cleric with force would... you get the idea.
The chinese which would cause the least amount of damage to a euro party would have to be a bow imo. Have him lure instead of a second bard would hurt your party, but not as much as the other builds would. Either way you look at it, adding a chinese into the party is just .... shit.
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You guys are looking at this the wrong way. Instead of looking who is the best in a euro party, you have to look at who will cause the least damage to a euro party by replacing a euro that can do his job 3x as fast. Replace wizard with s/s will cause your damage to drop by a third. Replace tanker with blader will cause your party to die. Replace cleric with force would... you get the idea.
The chinese which would cause the least amount of damage to a euro party would have to be a bow imo. Have him lure instead of a second bard would hurt your party, but not as much as the other builds would. Either way you look at it, adding a chinese into the party is just .... shit.
Bow for luring would kind of suck, thats why you have a rogue which will do the job much better. And I saw spear nuker, because he has almost no aggro towards the mobs, and still hits decent, and I wasnt talking about replacing it =)
You guys are looking at this the wrong way. Instead of looking who is the best in a euro party, you have to look at who will cause the least damage to a euro party by replacing a euro that can do his job 3x as fast. Replace wizard with s/s will cause your damage to drop by a third. Replace tanker with blader will cause your party to die. Replace cleric with force would... you get the idea.
The chinese which would cause the least amount of damage to a euro party would have to be a bow imo. Have him lure instead of a second bard would hurt your party, but not as much as the other builds would. Either way you look at it, adding a chinese into the party is just .... shit.
Nice way of approaching it. I assumed the party wasn't full, but yours makes more sense.
2 Warriors 2 Wizards 1 Warlock 1 Cleric 2 Bards
I assume that is the best party, but I'm not sure.
I think a force nuker would be the best, replacing the warlock. Fire/Light/Force Spear nuker. Still have debuffs, would probably out damage the warlock until PG's come along.
You guys are looking at this the wrong way. Instead of looking who is the best in a euro party, you have to look at who will cause the least damage to a euro party by replacing a euro that can do his job 3x as fast. Replace wizard with s/s will cause your damage to drop by a third. Replace tanker with blader will cause your party to die. Replace cleric with force would... you get the idea.
The chinese which would cause the least amount of damage to a euro party would have to be a bow imo. Have him lure instead of a second bard would hurt your party, but not as much as the other builds would. Either way you look at it, adding a chinese into the party is just .... shit.
Bow for luring would kind of suck, thats why you have a rogue which will do the job much better. And I saw spear nuker, because he has almost no aggro towards the mobs, and still hits decent, and I wasnt talking about replacing it =)
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You guys are looking at this the wrong way. Instead of looking who is the best in a euro party, you have to look at who will cause the least damage to a euro party by replacing a euro that can do his job 3x as fast. Replace wizard with s/s will cause your damage to drop by a third. Replace tanker with blader will cause your party to die. Replace cleric with force would... you get the idea.
The chinese which would cause the least amount of damage to a euro party would have to be a bow imo. Have him lure instead of a second bard would hurt your party, but not as much as the other builds would. Either way you look at it, adding a chinese into the party is just .... shit.
Nice way of approaching it. I assumed the party wasn't full, but yours makes more sense.
2 Warriors 2 Wizards 1 Warlock 1 Cleric 2 Bards
I assume that is the best party, but I'm not sure.
I think a force nuker would be the best, replacing the warlock. Fire/Light/Force Spear nuker. Still have debuffs, would probably out damage the warlock until PG's come along.
In a true euro party, warlock isn't used for debuffs. Debuffs are just an added bonus you get. They are used for DoTs, come to Venus and watch one of our parties with a warlock in it. You can pretty much be in zerk mode for 50% of the time out there, thats how fast you'll get zerk with warlock DoTs.
To whoever mentioned a rogue instead of bow, read topic title.
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You guys are looking at this the wrong way. Instead of looking who is the best in a euro party, you have to look at who will cause the least damage to a euro party by replacing a euro that can do his job 3x as fast. Replace wizard with s/s will cause your damage to drop by a third. Replace tanker with blader will cause your party to die. Replace cleric with force would... you get the idea.
The chinese which would cause the least amount of damage to a euro party would have to be a bow imo. Have him lure instead of a second bard would hurt your party, but not as much as the other builds would. Either way you look at it, adding a chinese into the party is just .... shit.
Bow for luring would kind of suck, thats why you have a rogue which will do the job much better. And I saw spear nuker, because he has almost no aggro towards the mobs, and still hits decent, and I wasnt talking about replacing it =)
A bow char lures better simply because he can survive longer then a rogue *with no pot delay* I'll take survivability > Range when luring any day.
You guys are looking at this the wrong way. Instead of looking who is the best in a euro party, you have to look at who will cause the least damage to a euro party by replacing a euro that can do his job 3x as fast. Replace wizard with s/s will cause your damage to drop by a third. Replace tanker with blader will cause your party to die. Replace cleric with force would... you get the idea.
The chinese which would cause the least amount of damage to a euro party would have to be a bow imo. Have him lure instead of a second bard would hurt your party, but not as much as the other builds would. Either way you look at it, adding a chinese into the party is just .... shit.
Bow for luring would kind of suck, thats why you have a rogue which will do the job much better. And I saw spear nuker, because he has almost no aggro towards the mobs, and still hits decent, and I wasnt talking about replacing it =)
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I only see one wrong fail. Rogues own for luring, rapid shot shoots rapidly. Its like mind bow only you can use it every second.
Also, a decent rouge in a decent PT wouldn't die. Same tanking ability as a 2H unskinned warrior. Rouge clerics can bless if things get to hot. Rouges have enough HP that Healing Cycle and heal spam should keep them alive unless theres like 20 mobs on them. Luring you wouldn't use CE.
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To add to that, taking out one of the tanks and replacing it with a bower would actually be most effective. To do this though, you will need at least 4 people with cleric sub, constant bless cycle, constant Earth Barrier, vigors at hand. Its just too much effort really, it will increase your exp gain by a minimal amount but take a shitload of effort.
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To add to that, taking out one of the tanks and replacing it with a bower would actually be most effective. To do this though, you will need at least 4 people with cleric sub, constant bless cycle, constant Earth Barrier, vigors at hand. Its just too much effort really, it will increase your exp gain by a minimal amount but take a shitload of effort.
wow die hard pl0x jk Besides, i dont agree with you. Even they are cleric, they can die fast (since clerics are the first targets for mobs). So, After cleric is down, (or two of thems) everyone is dead xD. Also, u say.. "Massive Damage Output" What about a Giant party? You cant kill him fast even those 7 Wiz cast zerk at the same time.. (Or maybe u can, avoiding him with lightening skillz but still riskier)
pure int s/s with a spear. I explain : go s/s to debuff PTGs and lure, go spear to dmg if needed.
But, chinese should always leave parties if there are euros in line.
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A bow char lures better simply because he can survive longer then a rogue *with no pot delay* I'll take survivability > Range when luring any day.[/quote]
Im sure my lv 85 tank/cleric/rogue lures way better with much more bafs for the pt. Just lv 10 fast shot is enough XD + a howling shout noa and then. Wont died cause I can heal my self. NOt mentioning the extra fences+screens. OOOOOPS noa I did mention them.
wow die hard pl0x jk Besides, i dont agree with you. Even they are cleric, they can die fast (since clerics are the first targets for mobs). So, After cleric is down, (or two of thems) everyone is dead xD. Also, u say.. "Massive Damage Output" What about a Giant party? You cant kill him fast even those 7 Wiz cast zerk at the same time.. (Or maybe u can, avoiding him with lightening skillz but still riskier)
i'd say Blader or Bower
The wizards would be blessed or earth barrier'd at all times. Magic damage should hardly scratch them. Physical damage reduced by a lot, then blessed.
Giant party? Easy. Alternate casting fear. Or, Alternate casting the KB nuke. Would be very easy to make it not attack. Also, frozen spear *8 would almost always freeze them. If one of them dies, no biggie, 7 of them can ress. They would not be in cleric mode often, just bless/healing orbit alternating. If they staggered casting healing orbit every 112 seconds, then they would always have orbit.
And again. At 80. Say you have ~12k HP.
Antelopes would hit you for 3k-ish. PT mobs would go down in about 3 seconds. (8 nukes, or 2 nukes each.) Earth Barrier makes 3k damage (If it was all physical) to ~1.8k. Bless would reduce ~1.8k to ~800. If you get hit in the exact second 15 times, you would die. Healing Orbit+Bless allows tanking almost anything. Now add fence. Now add Fear, KB, Freeze, Frostbite, Dull.
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Argonaut wrote:
To add to that, taking out one of the tanks and replacing it with a bower would actually be most effective. To do this though, you will need at least 4 people with cleric sub, constant bless cycle, constant Earth Barrier, vigors at hand. Its just too much effort really, it will increase your exp gain by a minimal amount but take a shitload of effort.
I thought bowers coulndt hold aggro? :p
Ohyeah, and a rogue wont die, cause he doesnt need to be hit, + a rogue has longer range.
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They are used for DoTs, come to Venus and watch one of our parties with a warlock in it. You can pretty much be in zerk mode for 50% of the time out there, thats how fast you'll get zerk with warlock DoTs. 
