Archer at 100cap

ltsune · **Joined:** Mar 2008 **Posts:** 5751 **Location:**

Hello.

Currently a got a lvl 50 archer with 50 Pacheon / 50 Fire / 50 Light. I am going for a 100Pcheon/100Fire/80Light/20Ice build. However,i recently read a lot of guides about how fantastic force is. I was just wondering how much does the force skills really help?

Did anybody ever do a damage test with and without using the force skills?
Also, would it be worth it delvling light from 50 to 0 and then going for force`?

Thanks in advance

warfire6395 · **Joined:** Feb 2008 **Posts:** 552 **Location:**

if your light, youll be able to use range to your advantage, and pvp vs warriors which will be your biggest competition will be easier due to PR increase

if your force you will be able to debuff and hit your opponents for higher, but force is useless unless its maxed, therefore you lose snow shield.

there is a reason everyone is going 100 fire 100 pach 80 light 20 cold :roll:

ltsune · **Joined:** Mar 2008 **Posts:** 5751 **Location:**

warfire6395 wrote:

if your light, youll be able to use range to your advantage, and pvp vs warriors which will be your biggest competition will be easier due to PR increase

if your force you will be able to debuff and hit your opponents for higher, but force is useless unless its maxed, therefore you lose snow shield.

there is a reason everyone is going 100 fire 100 pach 80 light 20 cold :roll:

Yeah i know but a still growing amount of force archers are made up every week... Just search on youtube... So i thought there might be a reasons

Nobody knows how much you actually do hit more when you use the force skills?

Murtaghs · **Posted:** Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:48 pm

^ You hit like 3 to 4k more at lvl 100, I think... not sure tho, so maybe a pro at this can give the exact answer.

Insanity · **Joined:** Jul 2008 **Posts:** 547 **Location:**

umh, lets see.

allright, force bower, pach/fire/force does well. debuff and kill. only problem is that your basically fighting with 2 skill trees against euro's. really good build against chinese.

pach/fire/80light/20ice - u get snow shield and phantom. phantom is good cause you can kb/kb phantom kb/kb and now all of a sudden you have a LOT of distance between u and them. snow shield keeps you alive. this is a better all around build for pvping everyone.

Thomas42 · **Posted:** Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:56 pm

@warfire
Godamn. 100pach/100force/80fire/20cold.

Ontopic:
Force is for you if you want to hit hard. The only thing you'll miss from light is speed (dem potz are good too), and phantom. And you'll miss phantom a lot.

ltsune · **Joined:** Mar 2008 **Posts:** 5751 **Location:**

Thomas42 wrote:

@warfire
Godamn. 100pach/100force/80fire/20cold.

Ontopic:
Force is for you if you want to hit hard. The only thing you'll miss from light is speed (dem potz are good too), and phantom. And you'll miss phantom a lot.

I started on ecsro to test this kind of archer and yeah, i already miss phantom BUT i just buy the drug speed thingy and after a a few days... well i already forgot about phantom

I really still can't get an answer if the force debuffs does anything on ecsro at all...

Thanks for the answer though

Nyima · **Joined:** Mar 2009 **Posts:** 170 **Location:**

Force debuffs dont go thru Holy Spell do they? Thats the main reason I didnt take force on my bower, useless against euro's.
I have seen force bowers destroy chinese before tho haha, does look like fun

Bl4nk · **Joined:** Dec 2008 **Posts:** 220 **Location:** Here

ltsune wrote:

Hello.

Currently a got a lvl 50 archer with 50 Pacheon / 50 Fire / 50 Light. I am going for a 100Pcheon/100Fire/80Light/20Ice build. However,i recently read a lot of guides about how fantastic force is. I was just wondering how much does the force skills really help?

Did anybody ever do a damage test with and without using the force skills?
Also, would it be worth it delvling light from 50 to 0 and then going for force`?

Thanks in advance

At the 90cap with my Force Blader a normal hit on a mangyang without debuff was almost half off that if it was debuffed and if i used imbue it was almost a 1/3 the damage of fully debuffed. this means like around 3.5k-6k extra for a blader unsure what it is for a bower tho itt could be a bit more different.Also if you want force and your pure str go 100pach 100force| 100fire or 80fire 20light

Sir_Edward · **Joined:** Mar 2009 **Posts:** 867 **Location:**

are these stats also consistent with warlock debuffs.

ltsune · **Joined:** Mar 2008 **Posts:** 5751 **Location:**

Bl4nk wrote:

ltsune wrote:

Hello.

Currently a got a lvl 50 archer with 50 Pacheon / 50 Fire / 50 Light. I am going for a 100Pcheon/100Fire/80Light/20Ice build. However,i recently read a lot of guides about how fantastic force is. I was just wondering how much does the force skills really help?

Did anybody ever do a damage test with and without using the force skills?
Also, would it be worth it delvling light from 50 to 0 and then going for force`?

Thanks in advance

At the 90cap with my Force Blader a normal hit on a mangyang without debuff was almost half off that if it was debuffed and if i used imbue it was almost a 1/3 the damage of fully debuffed. this means like around 3.5k-6k extra for a blader unsure what it is for a bower tho itt could be a bit more different.Also if you want force and your pure str go 100pach 100force| 100fire or 80fire 20light

yeah great

I just talked with a one of the admins at ecsro too. He answered that the debuffs DO work at ecsro.

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