The ultimate PvP build.

Murtaghs · **Posted:** Fri Aug 21, 2009 5:21 pm

Hey there, here is another 'new character problem'

Okay, I'm looking for THE PvP build. I dont care how much SP it will cost, or how much effort it will take me to level it, I just want to own in PvP.
Now there are a few builds which I thought of, but each had their disadvantages (obvious, what in life doesnt have disadvantages?)
I've been thinking about these builds:

Euro:
Warrior/Warlock
Warlock/Cleric

Chinese:
Full STR Blader
Pure INT S/S Nuker

I've been giving this alot of thought, but I just cant decide...
If you know of any other classes that DEFINATELY own in pvp ( no matter how hard they suck at PvE) plz post your opinion...

Thanks in advance,

Murtaghs

Thomas42 · **Posted:** Fri Aug 21, 2009 5:38 pm

A pure str or slightly hybrid (between 8:1 and 5:1) blader with bicheon/fire/cold is the most common 'the' PvP build... assuming anyone has a 100 blader yet. Someone correct me if I'm wrong and the usual whatnot please.

Murtaghs · **Posted:** Fri Aug 21, 2009 6:15 pm

Thomas42 wrote:

A pure str or slightly hybrid (between 8:1 and 5:1) blader with bicheon/fire/cold is the most common 'the' PvP build... assuming anyone has a 100 blader yet. Someone correct me if I'm wrong and the usual whatnot please.

but blader is pretty helpless against the warlock's debuffs, right?
so blader would get his ass kicked by Warlock/xxx and Warrior/Warlock...
but ofcourse, nobody is immortal

Thomas42 · **Posted:** Fri Aug 21, 2009 6:19 pm

Please note, EVERY chinese build is helpless against a warlock.

Nitro · **Joined:** Sep 2007 **Posts:** 4769 **Location:**

No he isnt... just buy pills... and learn when you need to spam it.
(PROTIP: Against Warriors with sub Warlock, after they are done with all their debuffing, do it when they switch to their weapons, Warlock/Clerics are easy to kill anyway lol)

Thomas42 · **Posted:** Fri Aug 21, 2009 6:58 pm

OK Nitro, I didn't count pill spamming. If you count that, nothing is useless against a warlock. Technically.

Nitro · **Joined:** Sep 2007 **Posts:** 4769 **Location:**

Well, pills are part of the game, I dont see why anyone couldnt use them?
Same as firewall glitch, sleeptrap or stealth detect pills ...

dutchleader · **Joined:** Sep 2008 **Posts:** 167 **Location:**

There is no ultimate pvp build and if there was something close to it, its not on your list. Warlock/cleric got a hard time with Holy spell and dieds fast, warrior/warlock also is weak vs holy spell. An int is nothing without snowshield and bladers got trouble vs some builds as well.

But anyway I would go, judging from the kind of person you are with : Bow, Warrior/cleric or Rogue /cleric.

Nitro · **Joined:** Sep 2007 **Posts:** 4769 **Location:**

^Honestly I cannot see how a Bower could kill a Blader, I dont know is it just my unexperience or what.
Ultimate PvP builds would be Warrior/Cleric or Rogue/Cleric, but meh, in the long run, any build you make can own in cape PvP (except Bard/Cleric).

DropOut · **Joined:** May 2009 **Posts:** 323 **Location:** Belgium

Any build is good if it's played right ... But bladers do have a lot of nice skills to survive in pvp. They are one of the hardest builds to kill.
If your looking for 1 vs 1 pvp I would go with warrior / cleric (btw bow / force of glaive / force is also awesome in pvp) for jobbing IMO blader would be a better choise.

VeniVidiVici · **Joined:** Nov 2007 **Posts:** 920 **Location:** OTL

Pure STR Force Blader would be the ultimate 1 vs 1 pvp build at chinese side. Warrior/Cleric on Euro side.

warfire6395 · **Joined:** Feb 2008 **Posts:** 552 **Location:**

warrior/cleric or rogue/warlock

-.- · **Posted:** Sat Aug 22, 2009 2:10 am

remember how people say warlock subs win against chinese?

I doubt it is always... maybe like 50/50... chinese might be weak against warlock debuffs, but euro would be weak to ice imbue (assuming they aren't immune) but then again with new tabs chinese can be immune to warlock as well (fire shield+new blues)

one nice trick with warrior/warlock vs int pvp is 2h+advanced reflect and just tank hits till damage returns and kills them

Amarisa · **Joined:** Feb 2008 **Posts:** 4049 **Location:** Magic

-.- wrote:

remember how people say warlock subs win against chinese?

I doubt it is always... maybe like 50/50... chinese might be weak against warlock debuffs, but euro would be weak to ice imbue (assuming they aren't immune) but then again with new tabs chinese can be immune to warlock as well (fire shield+new blues)

one nice trick with warrior/warlock vs int pvp is 2h+advanced reflect and just tank hits till damage returns and kills them

fire shield does not work vs warlock debuffs

ontopic there is no ultimate pvp build they all have there pros and cons

DropOut · **Joined:** May 2009 **Posts:** 323 **Location:** Belgium

Amarisa wrote:

-.- wrote:

remember how people say warlock subs win against chinese?

I doubt it is always... maybe like 50/50... chinese might be weak against warlock debuffs, but euro would be weak to ice imbue (assuming they aren't immune) but then again with new tabs chinese can be immune to warlock as well (fire shield+new blues)

one nice trick with warrior/warlock vs int pvp is 2h+advanced reflect and just tank hits till damage returns and kills them

fire shield does not work vs warlock debuffs

ontopic there is no ultimate pvp build they all have there pros and cons

he is talking about the warlock tabs in ksro where you can be sleep imune.

Marduk · **Joined:** Oct 2008 **Posts:** 29 **Location:** portugal

warrior/lock kill chinese easily even with pills ,remember stun recharge is very fast then debuff again ,otherway warrior/cleric have some problems with bows and bladers ,in fact a warrior/lock
can kill a warrior/cleric just use it wisely ,HS cant stop disease ,after disease u can inflict trap ,bind ,and bleed also stun ,after this you can sprint 1st and KD ,TS or if hes stuned again with sprint DD ,then noobs start healing if they do this do DD ,i bet definetely at a warrior/lock but iam suspicious

dutchleader · **Joined:** Sep 2008 **Posts:** 167 **Location:**

Marduk wrote:

warrior/lock kill chinese easily even with pills ,remember stun recharge is very fast then debuff again ,otherway warrior/cleric have some problems with bows and bladers ,in fact a warrior/lock
can kill a warrior/cleric just use it wisely ,HS cant stop disease ,after disease u can inflict trap ,bind ,and bleed also stun ,after this you can sprint 1st and KD ,TS or if hes stuned again with sprint DD ,then noobs start healing if they do this do DD ,i bet definetely at a warrior/lock but iam suspicious

Well I am not saying that a warrior/cleric is better but just look what play style you like. If you wanna be the last one standing that saves the day with some heals/buffs in the end go with warrior/cleric and if you like debuffing go warrior/warlock.

And in a 1on1 fight Warrior/cleric just has the advantage and you can put your theory's here but as a warrior/cleric myself I just dont have any experience that I have a disadvantage vs warrior/lock.

Marduk · **Joined:** Oct 2008 **Posts:** 29 **Location:** portugal

a cleric may have some advantages later at fight ,but first stun ,sprint and attack is from wl ,
our stun have 80% sucess your axe stun just 50% ,and we can attack wide range.

Murtaghs · **Posted:** Mon Aug 24, 2009 11:14 am

Okay, thanks guys... Im still not sure what to choose ( as everybody has his own opinion about buils, as usually ^^ )
but from all the comments i've seen, Nobody said anything about Lock/Cleric, so I guess its not that great at pvp then?

Snazzi · **Joined:** Jul 2009 **Posts:** 1856 **Location:** Qué ?

Lol, u could go dual wep. 100 bich for phys def, 100 heus for mag def, and cold - get 60% snow shield too

Shadow · **Joined:** Feb 2008 **Posts:** 1039 **Location:** lolwut

Kah00ner wrote:

Lol, u could go dual wep. 100 bich for phys def, 100 heus for mag def, and cold - get 60% snow shield too

Or 100 bich/heuk/fire, pure str.

pizzagirl2008 · **Posted:** Tue Aug 25, 2009 4:36 am

my favourites are:

CHN: Heuk/Pach/Fire
EUR: Warrior/Rogue

Full melee overkill FTW! :twisted:

Puma60 · **Posted:** Tue Aug 25, 2009 3:29 pm

Capped Bow, 100 Pach, 100 Fire, 100 Cold. Or Warrior/Cleric with Dual Axe and 1H skills too.

Snazzi · **Joined:** Jul 2009 **Posts:** 1856 **Location:** Qué ?

Shadow wrote:

Kah00ner wrote:

Lol, u could go dual wep. 100 bich for phys def, 100 heus for mag def, and cold - get 60% snow shield too

Or 100 bich/heuk/fire, pure str.

Fire i obviously the smarter build, but with cold u can get 60% snow shield meaning tanking to the max which is what the guy wanted xD i wouldn't make bich / heus / cold .. i'd go with fire

ultraphoenix · **Joined:** Oct 2008 **Posts:** 102 **Location:** at home

Murtaghs wrote:

but from all the comments i've seen, Nobody said anything about Lock/Cleric, so I guess its not that great at pvp then?

It definitely IS great at PvP, just like many other builds, you can use the full power of warlock even before lvl 80 (advanced reflect) because you dont need to switch your weapon all the time and the warlock attacks arent as weak as many guys say...you are a bit weaker than a wizard, but you got a shield+ HP absorbtion skills of warlock, what do you need more?

Nitro · **Joined:** Sep 2007 **Posts:** 4769 **Location:**

ultraphoenix wrote:

Murtaghs wrote:

but from all the comments i've seen, Nobody said anything about Lock/Cleric, so I guess its not that great at pvp then?

It definitely IS great at PvP, just like many other builds, you can use the full power of warlock even before lvl 80 (advanced reflect) because you dont need to switch your weapon all the time and the warlock attacks arent as weak as many guys say...you are a bit weaker than a wizard, but you got a shield+ HP absorbtion skills of warlock, what do you need more?

If you dont know how to play, then no, you dont have to switch weapons.

ultraphoenix · **Joined:** Oct 2008 **Posts:** 102 **Location:** at home

Nitro wrote:

ultraphoenix wrote:

Murtaghs wrote:

but from all the comments i've seen, Nobody said anything about Lock/Cleric, so I guess its not that great at pvp then?

It definitely IS great at PvP, just like many other builds, you can use the full power of warlock even before lvl 80 (advanced reflect) because you dont need to switch your weapon all the time and the warlock attacks arent as weak as many guys say...you are a bit weaker than a wizard, but you got a shield+ HP absorbtion skills of warlock, what do you need more?

If you dont know how to play, then no, you dont have to switch weapons.

lol, i meant, you should do weapon switching BEFORE activating reflect..
and tell me....which cleric skills do you wanna activate before 80? holy word+bless can be used before, and healing cycle lasts 15 seconds, thats 1/3 of the complete Reflect....

if you know how to play with warlock really great, then you dont even need a subclass....

and please, use in future answers at least a prove...or an example
thx

Nitro · **Joined:** Sep 2007 **Posts:** 4769 **Location:**

Healing Cycle must be on you all the time, so here is where your reflect breaks.
Killing an int with snow shield? Use apsolute damage from Cleric combined with trap.

Yes, you always need Cleric subclass, vampire touch / vigors & hp pots wont help you enough.
Warlock alone is good, but good isnt enough.

Guess you are the same as all those Warriors that cast healing cycle (or for even bigger fail - healing orbit) only at begining of PvP.

Oryx · **Posted:** Thu Aug 27, 2009 5:25 am

I seriously doubt a chinese int will die to just absolute damage without panic on. Not sure about 100 cap, but at 90 they didn't.

Also, I would much rather lose reflect and get heal cycle on than keep reflect =x It's only 35% chance. And int warlock without cleric subclass = useless in 1 v 1 pvp.

Nitro · **Joined:** Sep 2007 **Posts:** 4769 **Location:**

Yes, they did die, and they die now too.

Diesese -> Trap -> Sleep -> *wait 2-3 seconds* -> overhealing -> gluthealing -> overhealing.
If overhealing/gluthealing matches the explosion of trap, it will kill 100% (and it always happen.)

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