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ok i know this build rocks for pve but im wondering how wud it fair in 1v1 against euro warriors particularly warrior/clerics at cap

PS yes i hve used search got over 2k results and the 1st 2 pages didnt hve answers so help is really appreciated

So a warlock/bard? Bard mainly for speed and noise or getting nukes and others also? I don't think you'll do good against warrior/clerics, they'll probably be your doom most of the time (unless you are facing some noob warrior/cleric, which happens extremely frequently). You can manage some absolutes + wheel bind + DoTs then switch to harp and nuke or stay warlock rod and nuke + dusk armor, but I don't think you'd do that good anyways.

EDIT: You can also use warlock's stun in middle of that to unable to warrior to daredevil you. I had forgot about it.

oh hey raphael ur in mars didnt know...

ok so bard wud be bad agnst warrior/clerics but even if i had cleric sub wud it make surviving easier i mean sure i hve bless spell but they do to not to mention mana skin and holy spell(btw can dot's go over holy spell?)

Bard/anything would not be really strong against warrior/cleric, probably the best subs to go against one for a bard would be cleric and warlock.
DoTs are like a nuke, they deal damage (over time in the case), so holy word/spell has nothing to do with it. The thing is that the DoTs can trigger some debuffs, which the holy word/spell will protect against. The only DoT debuff that surpasses holy word/spell is the one that gives bleed ([dark] decayed if I recall it correctly), because bleed surpasses holy word/spell.

ok so warlock/bard wud be weaker against warrior/clerics but would warlock/clerics stand a better chance(reasons in my 2nd post)

bcoz i wanna take bard sub for my lock(their moves just look much cooler even if they dont increase survivability pvp wise) but i awnt a build good for both 1v1 and grp pvp(easy to find clerics for jobbing or uniques)


also y wud i switch to bard nukes they r only for pt play i wud just spam stun, armour, dots and absolute dmg skills along with reflect and baby nukes(ofc i'd also go hybrid for survivability)

ok thnk i'll try bard then

thx for the help raphaell really appreciate it

No problem.

hey another question wat about warrior sub with skills like this:

vital inc, sprint assault, iron/mana skin(do any of these last without 1h)

shield trash/crush for kb?

would be more unique for a heavy int build...

That's a waste..All the warriors buffs disappear if you switch weapons. lvl 10 mastery for shield trash (or was it crush) maybe..But only if you have like cleric sub so you can do 90/80 cleric/10 warrior. Or perhaps bard sub.

thx gess i'll just do bard then

I agree with XMoshe, though I'd not take warrior at all even if I was with warlock/cleric. In my opinion it's a waste.

IMO lvl 80 cleric is high enough...The lvl 10 mastery really saves your ass on melee chars. I pvped a 90 with this build and that kb was so annoying, especially cuz he has a shield all the time.

True, but you'll lose debuff immunity at cap from cleric. Debuff immunity is priceless in my opinion. It's a hard decision actually, both are very useful. It'd depend on what you prefer. Also, you'd only really need holy word/spell if you are going to fight against a force build or warlock build. Well, I don't know.

Well you got your own debuffs as a lock...So make sure you get them debuffed before they debuff you =p Or switch to your rod and heal yourself and stat heal etc =p Requires some practise tho.

But then, using your own argument, you have debuffs as lock, and also 2 stuns, sleep, etc to disable. Do you really need knockback? By the way, any euro switching weapons build requires some practice, and when warlock/cleric you just need to switch between cleric rod and warlock rod, which is extremely easy imo, lol. Also, in a fight between a 90warlock/80cleric/10warrior and a 90warlock/90cleric, I'm pretty sure the 90warlock/90cleric would have higher chances of winning. In the end what would matter would be skills though, so w/e.

hmm y wud u even waste time to swtch weps ok 1 is lock/clric/warrior other is lock/cleric

both hve RD (and for fun lets say they both give each other body/soul deity wich stay on others after wep switch if i recall)
and both have holy word

wont both locks be busy stun/nuking each other to switch weps or if they hve bless on both will just use cleric absolute dmg attks or lock blood leaches

but imo if both hve all the buffs idt either of em r gonna switch weps they will mostly just stun and nuke and as for kb.....they r both range attkrs kb is for wen somethng manages to get close to u

just my thoughts

I'm mostly supposing because I've never heard of a 1vs1 pvp battle between those 2 builds, though I'm almost 100% sure the 90warlock/90cleric would have more chances of winning.

well ur right most of wat i know abt cleric is heresay

but afaik all cleric attks r slow so wudnt the lock be able to stun easily even on offering? and yes kb wud b useless since other person can easily run away or as u said be immune to dull

not to mention dot's r almost instant

ok watever i'll just see wat the server lacks bards or clerics in pt's...low lvls r noobs anyways so no way to go by them

raphaella(taken from some fairytale depicting a mean old lady) plz put down the dictionary its 12:45 am for godsake

Yeah, and? Here it's 17:40. Sorry if I'm annoying you sire. My most sincere apologies.

And I was serious about this:

I'm not from a english country by the way, and I don't really see a problem in asking that because I really did not understand.

what annoys me more is wen u use sire, sir is ok but SIRE

doesnt that make it seem like ur from some english or irish country....

and dont worry about insulting me or anythng u cud throw some of the worst insults u know at me and i would still probably only laugh at u if i took the time to listen to them(seriously wudnt matter to me if u were standing infront of me aslong as u dont go physical alls well for me)

i probably meant hearsay i thnk since i was talking abt what i had read in these forums(i nvr tried pure cleric build too boring+ as i said b4 bards just look cooler way cooler)

For pvp warlock...I say cleric ...

so Warlock/ Cleric..

With good skill and control.. you can own alot of players -.-;;

Me..Blader... got owned by one of that kind of build...
Crazy ass debuffs pissed me off so much...
So.. Warlock to debuff other player and buff for urself

I believe I saw it in some irish movie... don't know. I use it to annoy people, I think.


I didn't know the word "hearsay".

yes 'hearsay' is a word 'hearsy' is not btw

hearsay means "unverified information obtained by a 1st person from a some other person"

or somethng along those lines anyway

I didn't say "hearsy" I said "heresy".
And yeah, I had already checked it on a dictionary.

Thanks anyways.

anything/cleric is better in pvp than bard sub. although in group pvp that's slightly arguable.

however about the 80 cleric and 90 cleric issue...from my own experience i find it IMPOSSIBLE to even put curses on anyone with a holy word/spell that's as low as 4 levels lower than my curse/disease level. even if i do manage to spam enough curses and one sticks on the target, it's so easy to just change back to cleric and use innocent/integrity to remove it instantly. i could have lvl 9 disease on someone with holy word immunity to lvl 7 and never get a single curse on in 2 full cycles of cursing(division, decayed, weaken, impotent, wheel bind x2). Call me unlucky, but that happens all the time when i'm fighting anything/cleric. so don't worry about having 1 grade lower immunity, it doesn't matter and it's so easily removable. the time he spends trying to put one curse on you is probably 10x longer than the time u take to remove all of them.

shield thrash will really help in pvp, but if you're going bard sub for the nuke i'll suggest dropping it. maxed booming wave is probably better, not to mention all the other bonuses. if you're going cleric sub tho having shield trash will be viable. just shows how gay cleric is.