Post subject: Re: what about s/s fire ice bicheon nuker ?
Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 4:14 am
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im trying that build now but i prefer prot to garment to max out both defences frm buffs
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Post subject: Re: what about s/s fire ice bicheon nuker ?
Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 12:53 pm
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Build is a tank lol, pretty hard to kill, other ints will like never kill you, ever. In prot str shouldnt give you a hard time either, just becarful since you will move quite slowly and you dont have teleport, otherwise its a good build.
Post subject: Re: what about s/s fire ice bicheon nuker ?
Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 3:39 pm
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I dont get why pretty much all int's went light/ice anyways. Ever since i heard 90 cap was coming most went light. I was light then, but i didnt wanna be like everyone else so i decided to go fire, I was just in my high 60s back then. Now.. pretty much everyone i know is going fire -.- . Coz basicly.. yes its better than light/ice. Fire has 3 usefull nukes on 90, and light only 1-2. Light CAN do the highest dmg, but the chance that it mite hit the highest is not that great. It hits his peak like once in a while, but when it does its high, higher than fire can hit. BUT fire has the overal better dmg i think, but light can top it so now n then. Fire/ice > Light/Ice, Because if u smart u can use ice imbue too, fire = immune to anything it wants. Many light/ice dont have that immunity, even though they can with 30 fire. So its nice to freeze em now n then in a pvp or use ice imbue. So conclusion: Fire/Ice > Light/Ice.
Post subject: Re: what about s/s fire ice bicheon nuker ?
Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 5:19 pm
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iDoDirt wrote:
I dont get why pretty much all int's went light/ice anyways. Ever since i heard 90 cap was coming most went light. I was light then, but i didnt wanna be like everyone else so i decided to go fire, I was just in my high 60s back then. Now.. pretty much everyone i know is going fire -.- . Coz basicly.. yes its better than light/ice. Fire has 3 usefull nukes on 90, and light only 1-2. Light CAN do the highest dmg, but the chance that it mite hit the highest is not that great. It hits his peak like once in a while, but when it does its high, higher than fire can hit. BUT fire has the overal better dmg i think, but light can top it so now n then. Fire/ice > Light/Ice, Because if u smart u can use ice imbue too, fire = immune to anything it wants. Many light/ice dont have that immunity, even though they can with 30 fire. So its nice to freeze em now n then in a pvp or use ice imbue. So conclusion: Fire/Ice > Light/Ice.
Too bad u will have 12% less dmg due to piercing force series. And no, fire imbue dont make up for that. All fire gives is more mag def which is not that great cuz ur INT already.
Light/Ice > Fire/Ice - For dmg.
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Post subject: Re: what about s/s fire ice bicheon nuker ?
Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 6:10 pm
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roIfcopter wrote:
iDoDirt wrote:
I dont get why pretty much all int's went light/ice anyways. Ever since i heard 90 cap was coming most went light. I was light then, but i didnt wanna be like everyone else so i decided to go fire, I was just in my high 60s back then. Now.. pretty much everyone i know is going fire -.- . Coz basicly.. yes its better than light/ice. Fire has 3 usefull nukes on 90, and light only 1-2. Light CAN do the highest dmg, but the chance that it mite hit the highest is not that great. It hits his peak like once in a while, but when it does its high, higher than fire can hit. BUT fire has the overal better dmg i think, but light can top it so now n then. Fire/ice > Light/Ice, Because if u smart u can use ice imbue too, fire = immune to anything it wants. Many light/ice dont have that immunity, even though they can with 30 fire. So its nice to freeze em now n then in a pvp or use ice imbue. So conclusion: Fire/Ice > Light/Ice.
Too bad u will have 12% less dmg due to piercing force series. And no, fire imbue dont make up for that. All fire gives is more mag def which is not that great cuz ur INT already.
Light/Ice > Fire/Ice - For dmg.
And that is why all the fire nukes have an addtiontal 12% dmg increase then the light nukes , Idk really, Joymax sucks the way they are strong-arming ints into picking their masteries, dont forget with fire you lose lion shout, but then I guess the blade throw series do more dmg..
Post subject: Re: what about s/s fire ice bicheon nuker ?
Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 1:08 pm
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30 light? you would loose the mag damage increase buff and do crappy damage. Light is ESSENTIAL for nukers... Btw you would'nt really be able to tank either beacuse with out the parry increase buff you would be constanltly getting hit REAL high by everyone (especially rouges) If your gunna make a nuker ya need 90 light, simple as that!
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Post subject: Re: what about s/s fire ice bicheon nuker ?
Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 1:13 pm
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diotron123 wrote:
30 light? you would loose the mag damage increase buff and do crappy damage. Light is ESSENTIAL for nukers... Btw you would'nt really be able to tank either beacuse with out the parry increase buff you would be constanltly getting hit REAL high by everyone (especially rouges) If your gunna make a nuker ya need 90 light, simple as that!
Sir, with all the respect, please read the other posts before posting all that shit.
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fire ice -.- of course your going to be lower on damage and defense you lose 12 % from mag buff you have 2 high hitting light nukes which get taken away no parry which means you get crit a lot so against strs you die simply and you dont have phantom so you fail at jobbing and you dont have shouts so you fail at pwlvling and you dont have transfer from light nuke so you fail at at grinding
you could possibly be somewhat good on int becuase of fire mag def buff but if hes using physical attacks... screwed
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Post subject: Re: what about s/s fire ice bicheon nuker ?
Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 4:19 am
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willieb3 wrote:
fire ice -.- of course your going to be lower on damage and defense you lose 12 % from mag buff you have 2 high hitting light nukes which get taken away no parry which means you get crit a lot so against strs you die simply and you dont have phantom so you fail at jobbing and you dont have shouts so you fail at pwlvling and you dont have transfer from light nuke so you fail at at grinding
you could possibly be somewhat good on int becuase of fire mag def buff but if hes using physical attacks... screwed
lol man think b4 u post fire imbue+fire nuke >=light nuke besides fire/ice hve more consistent dmg so i will probbly kill faster than light nukr and 30 light will give me a 7%mag boost(i think) which combined with fire's superior dmg is enough and this might be noob opinion but parry does not affect crit chances asfaik besides u can get more parry frm gear if u really need it
as for jobbing ever heard of bards/drugs bside if ur trader/hunter u wont hve to run
plvling u hve more aoe nukes from ice/fire sword throw+aoe sword dances idt u'll be that bad
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Build is a tank lol, pretty hard to kill, other ints will like never kill you, ever. In prot str shouldnt give you a hard time either, just becarful since you will move quite slowly and you dont have teleport, otherwise its a good build.
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Post subject: Re: what about s/s fire ice bicheon nuker ?
Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 7:16 am
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willieb3 wrote:
fire ice -.- of course your going to be lower on damage and defense you lose 12 % from mag buff you have 2 high hitting light nukes which get taken away no parry which means you get crit a lot so against strs you die simply and you dont have phantom so you fail at jobbing and you dont have shouts so you fail at pwlvling and you dont have transfer from light nuke so you fail at at grinding
you could possibly be somewhat good on int because of fire mag def buff but if hes using physical attacks... screwed
1) Fire nukes have an additional dmg multiplier which is like having piercing force on. 2) Parry has NOTHING to do with critical. 3) Loosing phantom is a downside to this build. 4) Blade force series from bicheon is stronger then shouts anyway, and with the fire passive and flame body buff, it does quite a bit of dmg. 5) Fire nukes have a 5 man aoe radius that is the same distance as lightings transfer, and they also can shoot through multiple enemies.
Post subject: Re: what about s/s fire ice bicheon nuker ?
Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 10:20 pm
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From the point of view as an int class, yes, (not boasting or anything) but im probably one of the strongest characters in my lvl range, I can dispatch most other builds in 2-3 skills, but against a Fire/Ice nuker the fight becomes extremely drawn out and I have more then a slightly hard time killing them. Fire/Ice can rip through other int builds and str chinese builds with incredible ease, im not sure how it would fare against european str builds however.
Post subject: Re: what about s/s fire ice bicheon nuker ?
Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 7:19 am
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ln wrote:
low speed no teleport ... sitting duck for xbows and bowers.
Bows are a problem, but that is mostly due to their increased attack rating when the build already has low parry, as for rogues, sword dance kills them in 1-2 hits anyway lol.
Post subject: Re: what about s/s fire ice bicheon nuker ?
Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 10:23 am
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Fire is for whoever uses nukes as main, weapon skill as sub ie you'll nuke more than weapon skill. The fire multiplier 330% is to catch up the light buff. If you don't plan to use nuke, meh
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, Idk really, Joymax sucks the way they are strong-arming ints into picking their masteries, dont forget with fire you lose lion shout, but then I guess the blade throw series do more dmg..
