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Post subject: Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 12:06 am |
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 3:12 am |
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Grind more.
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 3:16 am |
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I suspect some of those stall full of SOS is either:
1.Buy and sell strategy
2.Bot army
3.Hacking
You can never get that in normal playing.
Most probably Bot army.
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 3:55 am |
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4. Scamming
5. Buying gold
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 9:40 am |
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lmfao...GG
ur lvl 22, chill
those stalls with full sos..its all cheap low lvl sos..is why its all there:P
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 1:46 pm |
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i was vl 30 when i found my first sos.... a ring..-. 
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 2:24 pm |
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Well figure out what sos item it is that you want. SoS drops when the new degree of that item raises. Item drops in this game are area specific. So you need to find the area where that degree of item drops and that will increase your chance of getting one.
You will at least put yourself in the spot where it "can" drop. Not knowing this info you probably would be grinding for days on end where there is zero chance of an sos drop.
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 2:39 pm |
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Sroge wrote: Well figure out what sos item it is that you want. SoS drops when the new degree of that item raises. Item drops in this game are area specific. So you need to find the area where that degree of item drops and that will increase your chance of getting one.
You will at least put yourself in the spot where it "can" drop. Not knowing this info you probably would be grinding for days on end where there is zero chance of an sos drop.
so what are some areas that sos "can" drop. since you know this info, share it.
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 2:43 pm |
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there is no speacial area, special mob or special dance that lets you get them, It is totally random.
My current character found one at 16, I'm now 65 and haven't found another. My 67 character found 4. Others find dozens, some none.
Its random, anyone that tells you differently is making things up.
As for the stalls, people buy them then resell them or use them (ex. a full set) then sell them.
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 2:44 pm |
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best way of getting sos items or weapons is when u are farming cause u kill mobs in the fastest rate possible 
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Sroge
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 5:37 pm |
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hellsharpt wrote: there is no speacial area, special mob or special dance that lets you get them, It is totally random.
My current character found one at 16, I'm now 65 and haven't found another. My 67 character found 4. Others find dozens, some none.
Its random, anyone that tells you differently is making things up.
As for the stalls, people buy them then resell them or use them (ex. a full set) then sell them.
Why would you think this? Drops are area specific. At your level i'm actually suprise you haven't noticed some type of pattern. A certain area will drop the exact same type of items. What is totally random is which type of item out of the group that drops and the stats, whether is plus, sos, blue, etc. etc.
Bandit den and the tigers west of it is what drops lvl 16 bows and glavies, so in theory if you are lucky and grind enough you'll up your chance of getting an sos one, since thats normally where they drop.
Chins tomb you can get the level 8 sos rings since thats where that level of item drops. Hyoundo ghost (sp) is where you can get the 4th degree sos garmet chest, since thats where it normally drops. Get the picture? Find where the new degree of item drops and thats where the sos item is in the loot table. Its all about the tables, nothing is totally random.
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 5:47 pm |
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Sroge wrote: hellsharpt wrote: there is no speacial area, special mob or special dance that lets you get them, It is totally random.
My current character found one at 16, I'm now 65 and haven't found another. My 67 character found 4. Others find dozens, some none.
Its random, anyone that tells you differently is making things up.
As for the stalls, people buy them then resell them or use them (ex. a full set) then sell them. Why would you think this? Drops are area specific. At your level i'm actually suprise you haven't noticed some type of pattern. A certain area will drop the exact same type of items. What is totally random is which type of item out of the group that drops and the stats, whether is plus, sos, blue, etc. etc. Bandit den and the tigers west of it is what drops lvl 16 bows and glavies, so in theory if you are lucky and grind enough you'll up your chance of getting an sos one, since thats normally where they drop. Chins tomb you can get the level 8 sos rings since thats where that level of item drops. Hyoundo ghost (sp) is where you can get the 4th degree sos garmet chest, since thats where it normally drops. Get the picture? Find where the new degree of item drops and thats where the sos item is in the loot table. Its all about the tables, nothing is totally random.
my ass it does...its completely random, end of!
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 6:18 pm |
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Sroge wrote: hellsharpt wrote: there is no speacial area, special mob or special dance that lets you get them, It is totally random.
My current character found one at 16, I'm now 65 and haven't found another. My 67 character found 4. Others find dozens, some none.
Its random, anyone that tells you differently is making things up.
As for the stalls, people buy them then resell them or use them (ex. a full set) then sell them. Why would you think this? Drops are area specific. At your level i'm actually suprise you haven't noticed some type of pattern. A certain area will drop the exact same type of items. What is totally random is which type of item out of the group that drops and the stats, whether is plus, sos, blue, etc. etc. Bandit den and the tigers west of it is what drops lvl 16 bows and glavies, so in theory if you are lucky and grind enough you'll up your chance of getting an sos one, since thats normally where they drop. Chins tomb you can get the level 8 sos rings since thats where that level of item drops. Hyoundo ghost (sp) is where you can get the 4th degree sos garmet chest, since thats where it normally drops. Get the picture? Find where the new degree of item drops and thats where the sos item is in the loot table. Its all about the tables, nothing is totally random.
lol item drops are totally random
i cant believe you think that items have specific places to drop
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 6:25 pm |
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Sroge wrote: hellsharpt wrote: there is no speacial area, special mob or special dance that lets you get them, It is totally random.
My current character found one at 16, I'm now 65 and haven't found another. My 67 character found 4. Others find dozens, some none.
Its random, anyone that tells you differently is making things up.
As for the stalls, people buy them then resell them or use them (ex. a full set) then sell them. Why would you think this? Drops are area specific. At your level i'm actually suprise you haven't noticed some type of pattern. A certain area will drop the exact same type of items. What is totally random is which type of item out of the group that drops and the stats, whether is plus, sos, blue, etc. etc. Bandit den and the tigers west of it is what drops lvl 16 bows and glavies, so in theory if you are lucky and grind enough you'll up your chance of getting an sos one, since thats normally where they drop. Chins tomb you can get the level 8 sos rings since thats where that level of item drops. Hyoundo ghost (sp) is where you can get the 4th degree sos garmet chest, since thats where it normally drops. Get the picture? Find where the new degree of item drops and thats where the sos item is in the loot table. Its all about the tables, nothing is totally random.
a pattern....only one i see is a pattern of randomness, you are sadly mistaken dude
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 7:00 pm |
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chaosjamie wrote: Sroge wrote: hellsharpt wrote: there is no speacial area, special mob or special dance that lets you get them, It is totally random.
My current character found one at 16, I'm now 65 and haven't found another. My 67 character found 4. Others find dozens, some none.
Its random, anyone that tells you differently is making things up.
As for the stalls, people buy them then resell them or use them (ex. a full set) then sell them. Why would you think this? Drops are area specific. At your level i'm actually suprise you haven't noticed some type of pattern. A certain area will drop the exact same type of items. What is totally random is which type of item out of the group that drops and the stats, whether is plus, sos, blue, etc. etc. Bandit den and the tigers west of it is what drops lvl 16 bows and glavies, so in theory if you are lucky and grind enough you'll up your chance of getting an sos one, since thats normally where they drop. Chins tomb you can get the level 8 sos rings since thats where that level of item drops. Hyoundo ghost (sp) is where you can get the 4th degree sos garmet chest, since thats where it normally drops. Get the picture? Find where the new degree of item drops and thats where the sos item is in the loot table. Its all about the tables, nothing is totally random. my ass it does...its completely random, end of!
My bad i thought i was explaining it to someone with a little higher IQ. I'll break it down in dummy terms for you.
Silkroad has a loot table
dummy term; loot table = what mob can drop what items.
(every mmo has one )
Silkroad drops are area specific
dummy term; area specific = mobs in a certain area will only drop certain items.
To help you better understand the loot table surely you noticed not all mobs drop the same gear?? Maybe noticed Yeoha's don't drop 8 degree? Why would that happen? It is pure coincidence? No, its called the loot table.
Silkroad assigns the same loot table to all mobs in a certain area. That does not mean loot drops at the exact same cords it means you'll get the same armor drops in a certain area from random mobs in that area. Trash loot is assigned to all loot tables. Pills, potions, etc. etc.
So lets say that you want a 32 sos glavie, if you are fighting in area that does not drop 32 glavies then you will never find a sos 32 glavie. It does not mean that you will ever see one but at least your putting yourself in the spot where it can possibly drop.
Drops and there stats are all randomized with the RNG
dummy term; random number generator
RNG is rolled everytime a mob dies, you swing your glavie, dogde, etc. etc. And it is also rolled when an item drops with what stats it will drop with.
But please do me a favor and explain to me why you think its 100% random. I would like to know. At least back up the mouth a little. Honestly the only way a person could not notice some type of drop pattern and be past level 40 is well...............you should get the hint =) You would have to see it to believe it if you know what i mean.
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 7:06 pm |
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before you demand proof of it being random, show proof of it being a perfect pattern
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Post subject: B Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 7:27 pm |
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Demarthl wrote: before you demand proof of it being random, show proof of it being a perfect pattern
lol well, at least i explain myself. Its pretty easy to post like a troll and say "no its not" and move on to the next thread. I have no problem being told i'm wrong, all i ask of people is to explain their theory.
I explained mine. Perfect pattern? It would take awhile to nail it down even on one item. You would have to find what mob dropped it then its spawn spot, PHs, spawn timers, then you can start to get a perfect pattern on that mob only. Even then it would be a % drop. But then again you probably already knew that since you somehow figured out its totally random, but you forgot to explain how?
What alot of us have noticed is in a certain area the same items will drop. So we are not claiming to know a perfect pattern but we do know where that sos item will come from. That increases your chances.
All i did was simply answer the OPs question, with pretty accurate info. This is common knowledge in the silkroad community but not alot share it. Several others and myself notice these patterns because we actually play our characters, i really couldn't explain any other reason how you couldn't even notice a slight pattern otherwise.
And unlike you i have actually met people on these forums in game to explain and demonstrate how it works with good success. If you can use the search feature you can see me explaining in other post.
So when your willing to donate to SRF and share some info i'm all ears. I have explained it three times on this thread now. Even people with small IQ eventually get the big picture if they reread it enough.
So again i ask, explain your reasoning? Simple queston or will you dogde it again?
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 7:39 pm |
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well dem used to actually be a mod here, but he tired of know it all noobs that spouted nonsense, like this.
Yes each monster can drop any type item of the degree up to its level. But No monster or area is more prone to drop sos.
It's random.
Me, I've been playing since Jan '06 and have 2 characters in the high 60's, several in the 20's and 30's. I've also got several guides in the sticky section, which I believe is several more than you (since you brought it up).
What exactly are your qualifications?
Edit: to add to my comment using your 32 SOS example. Any mob that can drop a 3x weapon can drop a 32 SOS weapon. So farming a level 32 and 3 mob for an sos weapon is just plain silly.
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 7:54 pm |
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hellsharpt wrote: well dem used to actually be a mod here, but he tired of know it all noobs that spouted nonsense, like this.
Yes each monster can drop any type item of the degree up to its level. But No monster or area is more prone to drop sos.
It's random.
Me, I've been playing since Jan '06 and have 2 characters in the high 60's, several in the 20's and 30's. I've also got several guides in the sticky section, which I believe is several more than you (since you brought it up).
What exactly are your qualifications?
Edit: to add to my comment using your 32 SOS example. Any mob that can drop a 3x weapon can drop a 32 SOS weapon. So farming a level 32 and 3 mob for an sos weapon is just plain silly.
See your one of them that needs to reread a few times. Find the area where the 32 glavie is dropping and you just found the area where you have a chance to loot the 32 sos glavie, and yes that area will drop other items. ( thats the part where reread helps )
As far as qualifications. I know what i'm talking about. I have pinned down and posted loot tables in several MMOs. Because someone was a mod does not make them knowledgable. You made stickies congrats. How do you know if that was even directed at you? Again rereading helps.
I play on Athens server, Name time and place for tonight. I have 25+ sos drops i can throw in the trade window all from looting. Ask for them i'll show you every single one, If that can't be produced you can have my account.
Another thing to look for in my post is i explain everything down to a T, whether you think its right or wrong don't attack me, maybe try explain why you think its wrong. Produce something so when people are reading it they gain knowledge or something they can work off of.
The smart @ss comments are posted for the "no it can't" trolls that like to argue but post nothing about
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 7:58 pm |
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hellsharpt wrote: Edit: to add to my comment using your 32 SOS example. Any mob that can drop a 3x weapon can drop a 32 SOS weapon. So farming a level 32 and 3 mob for an sos weapon is just plain silly.
And to add to that comment. One thing to help explain the loot table is the ghost soldiers, They are spread out pretty well. I can set you in an area where you will eventually loot a 24 bow. Then i can also set you in area will you will eventually loot a garmet chest. Same mobs different areas, but you will not get the same loot from those mobs in different areas. Thats the spot i first started discovering how the loot table works.
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 7:59 pm |
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some people are lucky, some aren't the fact that you have 25 sos means nothing other than you are lucky (or can buy 25 sos items). I've farmed in the chi'on tomb and virtually everywhere else, and haven't gotten sos drops, same with thousands of others.
It keeps coming back to the same point. Randomness. You haven't proved anything.
edit: done with the topic now.
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 8:02 pm |
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It's completely random, I've been at penons for 2 and a half months and I've killed well over 100,000 of those things, all the drops range from 52-56, mostly 3rd round 6th degree garbage, but it's all types of clothing and weapons, some with blues but 99% of the time it's just npc food.
As for sos drop luck, I've found 1 sos drop, a pair of 54 boots and that's it, in all those kills and one sos drop, quite lame really lol
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 8:07 pm |
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hellsharpt wrote: some people are lucky, some aren't the fact that you have 25 sos means nothing other than you are lucky (or can buy 25 sos items). I've farmed in the chi'on tomb and virtually everywhere else, and haven't gotten sos drops, same with thousands of others.
It keeps coming back to the same point. Randomness. You haven't proved anything.
Drops are area specific. You can kill there for days it don't mean your going to get one. I think thats why you are confusing yourself.
What alot of people don't know, ( i had no idea this many was blind ) is you have to put yourself where it "CAN" drop, don't mean you will get one, but its better then grinding in a spot where one "CAN'T" drop. See what i mean?
It helps, i would rather be i a spot where i have a 1 in 60k chance of getting SoX, then blindly grinding in a spot where you have a 0 chance.
Maybe the word "spot" is confusing you. Its a broad area actually. Not like you stand in one "spot" but its a decent size area.
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 8:13 pm |
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Black_Mamba wrote: It's completely random, I've been at penons for 2 and a half months and I've killed well over 100,000 of those things, all the drops range from 52-56, mostly 3rd round 6th degree garbage, but it's all types of clothing and weapons, some with blues but 99% of the time it's just npc food.
As for sos drop luck, I've found 1 sos drop, a pair of 54 boots and that's it, in all those kills and one sos drop, quite lame really lol
Let me use this post as an example. Black_Mamba now the type of items that are dropping, just find out if that is the level one can be sos. If so then you are in an area where you "can" possibly get an sos drop. Now move across the zone and do the same thing, you will notice different loot. So even though your killing same level mobs or even the same mobs you will start to notice different loot.
Now your out of the area where you can get the 54 sos boots, but now your in a new area where you can get the 52 sos glavie. See what i mean.
This is all example by the way i'm not being exact on this "quote" i'm trying to throw something out there so you guys can see the big picture.
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 8:22 pm |
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Yeah but I grind in the bottom right corner of the ice, where I grind planers and penons together, I never go to other areas and I get different stuff every day or are you just referring to sos stuff?
I've known people who have gotten 52 sos weapons off mujigis, ishades, spiders, penons, and even the level of sos can be much higher than usual cuz yetis have been known to drop 69 sos chests so it's possible a 5x monster would drop a 64 sos weapon too.
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 9:27 pm |
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Black_Mamba wrote: Yeah but I grind in the bottom right corner of the ice, where I grind planers and penons together, I never go to other areas and I get different stuff every day or are you just referring to sos stuff?
I've known people who have gotten 52 sos weapons off mujigis, ishades, spiders, penons, and even the level of sos can be much higher than usual cuz yetis have been known to drop 69 sos chests so it's possible a 5x monster would drop a 64 sos weapon too.
Correct, i'm not saying only 1 item drops. What i'm saying is there are several different items drop out of certain areas, hence the loot table is area specific.
What i'm saying on the sos part of it is, if where your fighting your seeing lvl 52 glavies drop then you know where the 52 sos glavie "Can" drop.
But if you move to the other end of the zone and your only seeing lvl 58 glavies drop then you now know that you will not get the sos glavie because there are no 58 sos glavies.
And don't get me wrong just because i'm saying area specific i'm not meaning only a few items, there can be several that drop in that area. So you need to track down the degree that can be sos. When an item hits a new degree, thats when it can be sos. For example weapons the new degrees are 1, 8, 16, 24, 32, 42, 52, 64 so if that area does not drop that exact level where it starts out a new degree you will not see that sos drop.
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 9:27 pm |
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I was thinking about SOX drops and i came to the same conclusion. i saw that in some areas like near tarim basim (at the road to the north of dead ravine), farming black robber bowmans i got lot more weapons (swords and spears manly) than in other areas, most of them lvl 35 to 38. farming the same mobs in another area i got a lot of garmet stuff. its random to the drops are random point that i can be a white spear, +3 or a sos spear. then in that area u got an xx% chance to get a sos spear (considering that all the weapons i got there were lvl 35 and 38 the chance of getting a 32 sos are low). in another area where most of the mobs drops lvl 32 weapons the chances must be higher.
that doesnt mean that its imposible to get a 32 sos spear from a mob that drops mostly lvl 35 spears, but the chances are lower
sos are rare items, that means every x amunt of drops (x=big number) one will be a sos. if u farm more mobs u increase the chance of getting a sos, and if u farm a mob that has more chances to drop the kind of sos u want, chances are a little better.
ps.: nothing in a mmo is totaly random. totaly random means that u can get 0 sos drops in 10 years as that u can get 10 sos in 1 hour.
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 9:30 pm |
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zrabbit wrote: I was thinking about SOX drops and i came to the same conclusion. i saw that in some areas like near tarim basim (at the road to the north of dead ravine), farming black robber bowmans i got lot more weapons (swords and spears manly) than in other areas, most of them lvl 35 to 38. farming the same mobs in another area i got a lot of garmet stuff. its random to the drops are random point that i can be a white spear, +3 or a sos spear. then in that area u got an xx% chance to get a sos spear (considering that all the weapons i got there were lvl 35 and 38 the chance of getting a 32 sos are low). in another area where most of the mobs drops lvl 32 weapons the chances must be higher. that doesnt mean that its imposible to get a 32 sos spear from a mob that drops mostly lvl 35 spears, but the chances are lower sos are rare items, that means every x amunt of drops (x=big number) one will be a sos. if u farm more mobs u increase the chance of getting a sos, and if u farm a mob that has more chances to drop the kind of sos u want, chances are a little better. ps.: nothing in a mmo is totaly random. totaly random means that u can get 0 sos drops in 10 years as that u can get 10 sos in 1 hour.
Right, and on top of that you probably noticed items your level or the mobs level that did not drop. So to the OP that means you would not see that sos item either.
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