Legitimate: Iris Reporting

Zing · **Joined:** Dec 2006 **Posts:** 568 **Location:**

From Iris to Azteca - brief listed summary:

Result of Azteca:
Iris Players leave for Azteca.
Iris Players become botter themselves on Iris.
Iris Players quit Silkroad Online.

The message:
Stop jumping servers. Learn from the mistakes.

Azteca is a big community, and honestly, it wouldn't be one without Avalon. The small movement that decided to go to Azteca instead of Iris was going to stay small. Fortunately on their part, Avalon came and you know the result.

Now, what about Iris?

Well, some players defected to Azteca. Others turned to botting or had quit Silkroad because of the downfall. Why does this matter? The purpose of Azteca is to simply have fun if I am not mistaken. Then why the purpose of Azteca and not Iris? These sort of questions irritate several ex-Iris/Iris players. I personally do not know the reason of choosing servers behind Avalon but the reason behind the legitimate movement on here to Azteca irks.

Iris was constructed and all it needed was more players. There were dedicated players who were willing to help low levels - anyone who were to join. Legitimate players had a place and it was being maintained regardless of the shortcomings. The cure for these shortcomings would had been more players joining Iris.

What is the difference between the two and why is Azteca so special?

Azteca isn't special. It is new and is US based but the latency response time when compared to the old servers is unnoticeable (if there is a difference) from my own trials on the different traits. Azteca is new but to what end? It shall receive, as to all servers do, a bot presence. There is no doubt about it and as the months come and go, it will be the same as these other once new servers are today. Azteca is big and many will think it was a good conclusion and will conclude to many more fortunate things. But behind the curtains players are lost, to botting, quitting.

Azteca is promising and yields many players and hopefully more to come. Don't let it become a second Venus or a second Iris. Stop jumping servers - make Azteca the sole symbol of legitimacy, a stronghold. New servers will be old servers soon enough and knowing JM there will be many more servers to come. Don't think a new server will be any different.

Food for thought: Why Azteca (because it's new? chance to get fort? Feels refreshing?) and if Avalon wasn't there - what would had happened? (people stayed in their servers? Azteca movement would've continued its movement? Azteca Movement defecting to Iris?)

Good day.

**** Follow up ****

Zing wrote:

ltsune wrote:

... I'm not addressing the thread owner directly (don't want to offend anybody) but why even discuss this? ...

That's no reason to diss the Azteca server and community though, is it?

... Venus thing. You say that leaving the game after playing for one and a half year is failing? ...

Sure, they lost the fortress but if people get bored they should do something else, right? What you're saying (theoretically) is that I'm not allowed to stop doing something if I started doing it. If I stop, I'll fail.

Your questions, my answers:

First; people do 'legit movements' countless of times and it dies off only to have some other legit movement to do the same. I've addressed the reason in my listed summary. With a detailed explanation to as followup. Iris started, went well but some people slowly drifted off to whatever reason - the difference between casual and dedicated. Dedicated players are whom were left with some new people joining every now and then.

The idea: To eliminate the reason to server hop. To use one server as the main stay. Play for fun, yeah? Azteca.

Second; Venus, people left. It died (even if a core of them left, it could had been doctored to stay up and welcome new players) because people continued to server hop. I'd say this is self-explanatory. People dived into the destructive cycle of movements and the potentiality to play with many players goes down - is a bad thing. "I don't want to leave, because I put too much work into my character," and etc., the reasons why people aren't willing to jump from one legit movement to another: the effect is less players in one community; i.e. many communities with small amounts. I wouldn't call it a failure but a model to look at; i.e. why did people create legit movements instead of going onto Venus?

The idea: To eliminate the reason to server hop. To use one server as the main stay. One community, large population. Azteca is a good model.

Third; answers stated above.

The idea: People come and go, but why have them spread out? Allow this server be the, 'if you want to party and enjoy non-botting in a community, come to Azteca.'

If Iris players had it their way, Iris would be the hub. Shit happens, Azteca is now the legitimate icon. Let's keep it that way, yeah? There is no real effort other than just clicking on the server name and creating a character on it. Activity will go up and it will go down. That is the nature of the game.

Shit. If I wanted to whine and moan, this thread would be different. If you guys can differentiate between an advisory and a complaint, I'd be happy.

I appreciate those who replied to the 'food for thought,' are read and noted.

Ricooo · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 253 **Location:**

Zing wrote:

From Iris to Azteca - brief listed summary:

Result of Azteca:
Iris Players leave for Azteca.
Iris Players become botter themselves on Iris.
Iris Players quit Silkroad Online.

The message:
Stop jumping servers. Learn from the mistakes.

Azteca is a big community, and honestly, it wouldn't be one without Avalon. The small movement that decided to go to Azteca instead of Iris was going to stay small. Fortunately on their part, Avalon came and you know the result.

Now, what about Iris?

Well, some players defected to Azteca. Others turned to botting or had quit Silkroad because of the downfall. Why does this matter? The purpose of Azteca is to simply have fun if I am not mistaken. Then why the purpose of Azteca and not Iris? These sort of questions irritate several ex-Iris/Iris players. I personally do not know the reason of choosing servers behind Avalon but the reason behind the legitimate movement on here to Azteca irks.

Iris was constructed and all it needed was more players. There were dedicated players who were willing to help low levels - anyone who were to join. Legitimate players had a place and it was being maintained regardless of the shortcomings. The cure for these shortcomings would had been more players joining Iris.

What is the difference between the two and why is Azteca so special?

Azteca isn't special. It is new and is US based but the latency response time when compared to the old servers is unnoticeable (if there is a difference) from my own trials on the different traits. Azteca is new but to what end? It shall receive, as to all servers do, a bot presence. There is no doubt about it and as the months come and go, it will be the same as these other once new servers are today. Azteca is big and many will think it was a good conclusion and will conclude to many more fortunate things. But behind the curtains players are lost, to botting, quitting.

Azteca is promising and yields many players and hopefully more to come. Don't let it become a second Venus or a second Iris. Stop jumping servers - make Azteca the sole symbol of legitimacy, a stronghold. New servers will be old servers soon enough and knowing JM there will be many more servers to come. Don't think a new server will be any different.

Food for thought: Why Azteca (because it's new? chance to get fort? Feels refreshing?) and if Avalon wasn't there - what would had happened? (people stayed in their servers? Azteca movement would've continued its movement? Azteca Movement defecting to Iris?)

Good day.

Quote for mother-f*cking truth.

Toasty · **Joined:** Feb 2007 **Posts:** 2568 **Location:**

Azteca players had influence, due to being well known and being good at the game (speed of lvling is evidence of this).
Iris players didnt.

Thats the difference. Is that even the question of this thread? Dont have a clue.

ninshad · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 604 **Location:** Elsewhere

non ego man · **Posted:** Tue Jan 25, 2011 7:33 pm

You're mad because people are joining Azteca for the wrong reason? Is that it? That's kinda what I gathered but I got confused.

Toasty · **Joined:** Feb 2007 **Posts:** 2568 **Location:**

non ego man wrote:

You're mad because people are joining Azteca for the wrong reason? Is that it? That's kinda what I gathered but I got confused.

He seemed bitter yeah, but i wasn't really sure.

GeeGee · **Joined:** Dec 2010 **Posts:** 15 **Location:**

azteca has cookies

You_Dead_Yet · **Joined:** Mar 2007 **Posts:** 380 **Location:** here

lmao, some people really take those 'legit movements' kinda too seriously.

Even without Azteca, legits will eventually get bored and quit, or switch server to restart fresh, and then when they get to the boring part (like around level 90), they will restart again.

Dont blame new server for that lol, thats just lame. Just blame the fact that hand grinders will eventually get bored when it takes longer to level, and as they leave, the community will go down, and more and more will quit.

Thats probably how botting started years ago.

Dont think your 'Iris' server is different than the 3000 others servers. Iris, Venus, different server, same story.

And I bet Azteca will be the same in few months.

Apy · **Posted:** Tue Jan 25, 2011 8:21 pm

The way I see it now:
Now that gm added the statues the gold bots (most) dissapeared. Using all the adavntaegs offered by quests/events, legits have a better chance to get what they want. I forsee bots on Azteca getting owned in less then 3 months, all fortresses to be in legit hands and server dominance to be aquire by legits.
Ofcourse there will be an end, don't look at it, enjoy the present.

Zing · **Joined:** Dec 2006 **Posts:** 568 **Location:**

Toasty, Non Ego Man,

Heh. People and their assumptions.

Let's get this staright

Azteca was leveling up quickly ... When Avalon joined?

I'm not exactly bitter about Azteca (had I not communicate in my post to embrace Azteca?), although several Iris players are. And this is to detail why some/many are.

There isn't 'wrong reason' unless I am mistaken and I written that in my post. It's a report on the server Iris and on how shit like this shouldn't happen beyond Azteca.

You_Dead_Yet,

This message was to produce a warning and to submit a reason why people should stick to one server. And that server should be Azteca at this moment.

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As far as I know, Avalon made it clear they're not going to turn Azteca into a Venus. And assuming this is true, I have hopes that it'll be a place where Legits can join to find other legits to play with.

Anyone else?

Toasty · **Joined:** Feb 2007 **Posts:** 2568 **Location:**

You sound like you had something against Venus aswell?

CeLL · **Posted:** Tue Jan 25, 2011 8:45 pm

i think everyone should move to red sea server, thats where its really at.

Ownage · **Joined:** Jul 2009 **Posts:** 1173 **Location:** SwSro!

I'm sure it is because Azteca is a new server. They don't have bots who are lvl110 with a full novq, or half nova set, and all the fortress's. In azteca the legits can catch up with the bots, and not just be dominated.

Zing · **Joined:** Dec 2006 **Posts:** 568 **Location:**

Toasty,

Venus died, didn't it?
Iris died/about to/a minor community*

Those are the comparison, wasn't it? Never played Venus, never paid attention to the drama. Don't try to draw conclusions with generality such as the general negative opinion of Venus (with little knowledge I have of the negative opinion)

Ownage,

That's why my thoughts of "Avalon not making a second Venus" comes to mind. Is it only prolonging the inevitable? Soon enough bots become strong as they are on all server - programs play for them. And taking from what Avalon has said, my understanding is that it isn't a versus mode but a let's just play

Toasty · **Joined:** Feb 2007 **Posts:** 2568 **Location:**

Zing wrote:

Toasty,

Venus died, didn't it?
Iris died/about to/a minor community*

Those are the comparison, wasn't it? Never played Venus, never paid attention to the drama. Don't try to draw conclusions with generality such as the general negative opinion of Venus (with little knowledge I have of the negative opinion)

Ownage,

That's why my thoughts of "Avalon not making a second Venus" comes to mind. Is it only prolonging the inevitable? Soon enough bots become strong as they are on all server - programs play for them. And taking from what Avalon has said, my understanding is that it isn't a versus mode but a let's just play

SRO is a game.

SRO will die. Everything dies.

I still dont really understand. If i went back in time.. and got the chance to play on Venus AGAIN, with the knowledge that it'll die after about a year.. i would.

I cant work out why you're looking into the future so much. Most people quit SRO (often come back but still) after a short amount of time anyway. Play the game now, stop thinking so much.

*BlackFox · **Joined:** Sep 2008 **Posts:** 7923 **Location:**

I agree.. there's nothing special with Azteca :giveup:

Well, there aren't any special server. Really!
But most of all, "Have fun in game!" Isn't that what it's all about?

Zing · **Joined:** Dec 2006 **Posts:** 568 **Location:**

Toasty,

What are you trying to get at? Are you just trying to belittle me, is that it?

*BlackFox,

My thoughts exactly. Also with the idea that people need to organize for the sake of having fun.

Toasty · **Joined:** Feb 2007 **Posts:** 2568 **Location:**

Zing wrote:

Toasty,

What are you trying to get at? Are you just trying to belittle me, is that it?

*BlackFox,

My thoughts exactly. Also with the idea that people need to organize for the sake of having fun.

Are you trying to belittle Azteca and Venus?

Dont make threads if you dont like people disagreeing with your "point of view". Even if you make it so hard for people to even understand what your point is.

Zing · **Joined:** Dec 2006 **Posts:** 568 **Location:**

It seems like you're trying to find a hidden message among my posts. If this a more of a personal issue (which seems like it is), then let's not add garbage to this thread and instead continue this via PM.

I'll message you, entailing a reply to what you said just now.

chickenfeather · **Posted:** Tue Jan 25, 2011 9:13 pm

@ Zing
I think Toasty thinks you are attacking azteca and venus.

@Toasty
Zing is just saying that people should learn from the past to prevent it from occurring again. Zing is telling people to quit server hopping and stay on Azteca so we can prolong this activity as long as we can.

Toasty · **Joined:** Feb 2007 **Posts:** 2568 **Location:**

Zing wrote:

It seems like you're trying to find a hidden message among my posts. If this a more of a personal issue (which seems like it is), then let's not add garbage to this thread and instead continue this via PM.

I'll message you, entailing a reply to what you said just now.

What?

Thats boring.. i dont care that much.

Krevidy · **Posted:** Tue Jan 25, 2011 9:46 pm

The reason why we didn't start on Iris, is because the bots there are already capped, full nova etc. On Azteca we still have a chance of catching up, and we are doing so, we are hitting 9D soon. We'll have a strong go at the Hotan fortress in the coming weeks.

Avalon union is growing.

XesoS · **Posted:** Tue Jan 25, 2011 9:52 pm

Venus 2 = Soon Failure

Just saying

Woody93 · **Joined:** May 2007 **Posts:** 307 **Location:** Belgium

Well, I don't really have an answer on the question what would've happened if we didn't have Avalon, but I don't want to answer that question too. They are here now, and I know Azteca is getting better and better every day. The union is active, and we never had any drama till now. We have fun, because the most people in the union already knew eachother from back in Venus or Srf etcetc. I'm happy we are playing again like we should play, as a big community. Azteca is a server with potential for sure, and I don't doub't we will take the fortress sooner or later.

The difference between Venus and Azteca : The rules are way less strict, which doesn't bring drama into our union. We don't need control people, we don't need to watch every ste we take. It's good as it is now, and it'll be like that for a long time if you ask me.

Panu · **Joined:** Aug 2007 **Posts:** 3536 **Location:** Around

XesoS wrote:

Venus 2 = Soon Failure

Just saying

Venus wasn't a failure.

XesoS · **Posted:** Tue Jan 25, 2011 9:57 pm

Panu wrote:

XesoS wrote:

Venus 2 = Soon Failure

Just saying

Venus wasn't a failure.

Oh Rlly ? if you say so , thats why they all quit there and now they try to bring "VENUS" to Azteca , Time Will show

antics · **Posted:** Tue Jan 25, 2011 9:59 pm

to say venus was a failure s going too far. the legits in there had fw for such a long time.
they proved that legits can do it.

Woody93 · **Joined:** May 2007 **Posts:** 307 **Location:** Belgium

XesoS wrote:

Panu wrote:

XesoS wrote:

Venus 2 = Soon Failure

Just saying

Venus wasn't a failure.

Oh Rlly ? if you say so , thats why they all quit there and now they try to bring "VENUS" to Azteca , Time Will show

We never wanted to bring Venus to Azteca you dumbass. We just started again on Azteca and we have fun again, but it's way less extreme as in Venus.

Also : We had a great time on Venus. Doesn't matter we quitted... It's normal people needed a break after playing the same game for 2 years.

XesoS · **Posted:** Tue Jan 25, 2011 10:04 pm

@Woody : here we go first Insults

It hurths ? cant you say things without Insults ? Also If you are not bringing Venus to Azteca ? why not keep ur azz on Venus ? You guys just run away from you problems and now starting on Azteca all good till now

Wanna see how this will go , enough said . Its my opinion

Toasty · **Joined:** Feb 2007 **Posts:** 2568 **Location:**

XesoS wrote:

Panu wrote:

XesoS wrote:

Venus 2 = Soon Failure

Just saying

Venus wasn't a failure.

Oh Rlly ? if you say so , thats why they all quit there and now they try to bring "VENUS" to Azteca , Time Will show

Avalon has been one of the most successful guilds for a long long time.

Venus had a lot of good guilds (as in the botter guilds were quite strong aswell).

I'm guessing you're either a legit who is annoyed that they missed out on Venus and want to make yourself feel better.

Or you were in Epic or something, and were pissed you couldnt beat legits.

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