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 Post subject: Full servers will come back
PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 5:57 pm 
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i found this in bot forum
*Added function of avoid "Statue of Justice" and "Danger Avoid Statue of Justice". :giveup:


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 Post subject: Re: Full servers will come back
PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 6:23 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Full servers will come back
PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 6:23 pm 
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That was added the day after the statues was implemented in the game in a certain bot.. Nothing new.

Company gold bots seems to have a problem avoiding them tho.

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 Post subject: Re: Full servers will come back
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*Added function of avoid "Statue of Justice" and "Danger Avoid Statue of Justice". :giveup:

What?

And I really doubt that will work anyway, maybe bots willl just scroll back to town when they see one. And rember gold comppanies still use their own bots.

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 Post subject: Re: Full servers will come back
PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 6:29 pm 
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i dont get it.. i thought people had to make their own walk to training place file...

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 Post subject: Re: Full servers will come back
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The statues are avoidable since day one. Wizards can pass thru them as invisble and also bots can use scripts made by the player, so the player just needs to make a script that passes away from them. So the option added in the bot is nothing special.

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 Post subject: Re: Full servers will come back
PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 6:33 pm 
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That was added the day after the statues was implemented in the game in a certain bot.. Nothing new.

Company gold bots seems to have a problem avoiding them tho.


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 Post subject: Re: Full servers will come back
PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 7:26 pm 
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They dont even need a script. Bot avoids it automaticly. Same as you have the option to avoid giants, elites, cave traps etc. Get over it.

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 Post subject: Re: Full servers will come back
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Doesn't matter.
There may be thousands of bots that get walked manually to grind spots. Or maybe gold farms irl?

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 Post subject: Re: Full servers will come back
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hope the gold bots company cant find a way through so servers will not be crowded no need prem


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 Post subject: Re: Full servers will come back
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They dont even need a script. Bot avoids it automaticly. Same as you have the option to avoid giants, elites, cave traps etc. Get over it.

Bots dont exactly "avoid" them... they just dont target them

Player bots for the most part use bots that allow them to make their own script to their train spot, while the bot that companies/Chinese use to run 30 clientless bots per connection is a bit more dumbed down and doesn't have that feature

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 Post subject: Re: Full servers will come back
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They dont even need a script. Bot avoids it automaticly. Same as you have the option to avoid giants, elites, cave traps etc. Get over it.

Bots dont exactly "avoid" them... they just dont target them

Player bots for the most part use bots that allow them to make their own script to their train spot, while the bot that companies/Chinese use to run 30 clientless bots per connection is a bit more dumbed down and doesn't have that feature


Not really. Bots DO avoid them. Look at them running out from hotan. As soon as they come close to the trap, it halts. Then goes another direction and keeps doing that until they are thru. They do it in a line. I dont think they all use same script ^^. And they change the spots of the traps. Still avoiding.

You can easily go to a botpage and read yourself.

When it comes to giants, elites etc, youre right. Just doesnt target.

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 Post subject: Re: Full servers will come back
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Hades wrote:
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They dont even need a script. Bot avoids it automaticly. Same as you have the option to avoid giants, elites, cave traps etc. Get over it.

Bots dont exactly "avoid" them... they just dont target them

Player bots for the most part use bots that allow them to make their own script to their train spot, while the bot that companies/Chinese use to run 30 clientless bots per connection is a bit more dumbed down and doesn't have that feature


Not really. Bots DO avoid them. Look at them running out from hotan. As soon as they come close to the trap, it halts. Then goes another direction and keeps doing that until they are thru. They do it in a line. I dont think they all use same script ^^. And they change the spots of the traps. Still avoiding.

You can easily go to a botpage and read yourself.

When it comes to giants, elites etc, youre right. Just doesnt target.

You realize that just means the player edited his script? luls.. it takes notepad to do that.. and to look at your world map coords. Not difficult to understand. They don't avoid it unless they manually edit it.

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 Post subject: Re: Full servers will come back
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Wow.. So many ignorant persons.. Im just gonna stop talk here.

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 Post subject: Re: Full servers will come back
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Wow.. So many ignorant persons.. Im just gonna stop talk here.

Lol you have no idea how a bot even works. And we are ignorant? You are ignorant for claiming something without the knowledge to support it. If there are gold bots going around, then they edited scripts. They don't just find a new path.. Cause I still see the statues killing them. If they go around, that means they edited their walk script. Simple as that. Do your homework kiddo

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 Post subject: Re: Full servers will come back
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TheKnight wrote:
Extrme_G wrote:
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*Added function of avoid "Statue of Justice" and "Danger Avoid Statue of Justice". :giveup:

What?


why what? if i have srf account does that mean i cant read bot news? sue me :palm:


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 Post subject: Re: Full servers will come back
PostPosted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 11:18 am 
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dw guys, we all know barely anyone that plays sro is legit, so it's not like somebody's trying to spot w.e

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 Post subject: Re: Full servers will come back
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Hades wrote:
Bots DO avoid them.

If the bots are avoiding the traps, why are the servers 1700/3500?


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 Post subject: Re: Full servers will come back
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good point :P but bots always have a comeback, in the back of my mind, SRO just gets profits from these companies. Then they try to get more money out of them, when this happens the bot companies say no... Then SRO brings out a new system to make the bot companies pay the higher fee, and they will be free to run around for the next 6 months.

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 Post subject: Re: Full servers will come back
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non ego man wrote:
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Bots DO avoid them.

If the bots are avoiding the traps, why are the servers 1700/3500?


goldbots tend to dc after getting stuck in town (after frequent dying)
and it seems hackshield is stopping them relog.

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Wow.. So many ignorant persons.. Im just gonna stop talk here.

Lol you have no idea how a bot even works. And we are ignorant? You are ignorant for claiming something without the knowledge to support it. If there are gold bots going around, then they edited scripts. They don't just find a new path.. Cause I still see the statues killing them. If they go around, that means they edited their walk script. Simple as that. Do your homework kiddo


@Hades:
seems like you are referring to a single bot in all your arguments..but you said you'll rest your case

@Blackdragon6
Partly true..
The chinese mass goldbots will be pretty basic and have to be modified manually it seems.
So that they just have to be edited once and batch copypaste for the others everytime something happens, Unlike more progressive bots which use what joymax gave them...
the pk2 data has enough info about the maps, if they use the A* search algorythm and the info in the pk2, they can easily make navmesh polygons you find in other games for the AI to move around and avoid stuff.

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But either way the statues can be eluded

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Pan_Raider(`_´) wrote:
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Bots DO avoid them.
If the bots are avoiding the traps, why are the servers 1700/3500?
goldbots tend to dc after getting stuck in town (after frequent dying)and it seems hackshield is stopping them relog.
Exactly. If they are frequently dying, they're not avoiding the traps.


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 Post subject: Re: Full servers will come back
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Lol you have no idea how a bot even works. And we are ignorant? You are ignorant for claiming something without the knowledge to support it. If there are gold bots going around, then they edited scripts. They don't just find a new path.. Cause I still see the statues killing them. If they go around, that means they edited their walk script. Simple as that. Do your homework kiddo


@Hades:
seems like you are referring to a single bot in all your arguments..but you said you'll rest your case

@Blackdragon6
Partly true..
The chinese mass goldbots will be pretty basic and have to be modified manually it seems.
So that they just have to be edited once and batch copypaste for the others everytime something happens, Unlike more progressive bots which use what joymax gave them...
the pk2 data has enough info about the maps, if they use the A* search algorythm and the info in the pk2, they can easily make navmesh polygons you find in other games for the AI to move around and avoid stuff.

The mass of goldbots all using that would be a little farfetched I think. So far these Statues have worked. And we can only hope they don't find ways to avoid them completely. For now bots run to a fixed coordinate and let's hope they keep it that way. I personally like the one time login lol

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Lol you have no idea how a bot even works. And we are ignorant? You are ignorant for claiming something without the knowledge to support it. If there are gold bots going around, then they edited scripts. They don't just find a new path.. Cause I still see the statues killing them. If they go around, that means they edited their walk script. Simple as that. Do your homework kiddo


@Hades:
seems like you are referring to a single bot in all your arguments..but you said you'll rest your case

@Blackdragon6
Partly true..
The chinese mass goldbots will be pretty basic and have to be modified manually it seems.
So that they just have to be edited once and batch copypaste for the others everytime something happens, Unlike more progressive bots which use what joymax gave them...
the pk2 data has enough info about the maps, if they use the A* search algorythm and the info in the pk2, they can easily make navmesh polygons you find in other games for the AI to move around and avoid stuff.

The mass of goldbots all using that would be a little farfetched I think. So far these Statues have worked. And we can only hope they don't find ways to avoid them completely. For now bots run to a fixed coordinate and let's hope they keep it that way. I personally like the one time login lol

At Tigris goldbots are now learning to run around them. Trust me, they're NOT editing any script. How can I be sure? Well... I followed the massive amount of bots to the Jangan south gate. There they ran around the first statue and also the second one. At the last one they died though. However, when they came back the second time, they had learned to move AROUND the third statue too!

Now, how can they do that? My only conclution is that they must be able to "learn" that there is a new statue placed at that given spot, and then avoid it from now on.

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The mass of goldbots all using that would be a little farfetched I think. So far these Statues have worked. And we can only hope they don't find ways to avoid them completely. For now bots run to a fixed coordinate and let's hope they keep it that way. I personally like the one time login lol


searching a bit told me it won't last long if goldbots follow suit of the playerbots :(

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At Tigris goldbots are now learning to run around them. Trust me, they're NOT editing any script. How can I be sure? Well... I followed the massive amount of bots to the Jangan south gate. There they ran around the first statue and also the second one. At the last one they died though. However, when they came back the second time, they had learned to move AROUND the third statue too!

Now, how can they do that? My only conclution is that they must be able to "learn" that there is a new statue placed at that given spot, and then avoid it from now on.


maybe someone was monitoring them at the time and saw their coordinates keep on jumping to town :P
But they are learning... :(

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Well no one with a brain would knowingly have their bots run into the statues. So by now all gold bots and bots know of them and where they are. Not hard to maneuver em.

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Well no one with a brain would knowingly have their bots run into the statues. So by now all gold bots and bots know of them and where they are. Not hard to maneuver em.

But the GM's are moving them around. Two days ago there was only one statue at the place where there is now 3 (Tigris).

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At Tigris goldbots are now learning to run around them. Trust me, they're NOT editing any script. How can I be sure? Well... I followed the massive amount of bots to the Jangan south gate. There they ran around the first statue and also the second one. At the last one they died though. However, when they came back the second time, they had learned to move AROUND the third statue too!

Now, how can they do that? My only conclution is that they must be able to "learn" that there is a new statue placed at that given spot, and then avoid it from now on.


Thats what Im trying to say. But the "kiddo" blackdragon doesnt seem to get it.
Like I said. Lots of ignorant persons here..

@Pan_Raider. Yeah I am refering to one single bot. The most common one.

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