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 Post subject: A complete botfree server
PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 12:48 pm 
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Babel 0 banned

while every other server has atleast 35-50 ppl banned i havnt really played babel but r u guys really that legit??

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 Post subject: Re: A complete botfree server
PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 12:51 pm 
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Babel is an experiment server for Joymax.

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 Post subject: Re: A complete botfree server
PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 1:27 pm 
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35-50 lol r u joking me? they r prolly spammers so now u have to waste another 20min to block them all again.


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 Post subject: Re: A complete botfree server
PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 2:04 pm 
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bot bans are a joke on every server.

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 Post subject: Re: A complete botfree server
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Babel is an experiment server for Joymax.

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 Post subject: Re: A complete botfree server
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btw in this months babel is the only one server full 24/24h

poor the players inside there anyways :banghead:

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 Post subject: Re: A complete botfree server
PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 2:18 pm 
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PureStr wrote:
bot bans are a joke on every server.


i agree
they should ban gold buyers instead of gold botters (think about it) .

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 Post subject: Re: A complete botfree server
PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 3:26 pm 
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ok so most of you are like 40+
as in for me at 7x, i dont even feel goldbots getting banned, because joymax doesnt ban players above 50, well FEW only, theres like 85, 73,45,32 and the rest below 20 goldbots
if it would be like at least 7x banned, then u would feel it
anyway, i dont give a shit, as long as im not banned. *knocks on wood*

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 Post subject: Re: A complete botfree server
PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 3:46 pm 
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35-50 lol r u joking me? they r prolly spammers so now u have to waste another 20min to block them all again.


lol im serious check the 1st 2 rows of bot bans, all servers except babel hve 35-50 bans

do u actually block em i just use pt or guild channels y waste time blocking wen thres i more every other day and 5 more every week?

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 Post subject: Re: A complete botfree server
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aishsharma wrote:
Babel 0 banned

while every other server has atleast 35-50 ppl banned i havnt really played babel but r u guys really that legit??


Lool... when people say that Babel is legit, they are joking.

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 Post subject: Re: A complete botfree server
PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 4:58 pm 
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I feel sorry for people with no prem in Babel.

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 Post subject: Re: A complete botfree server
PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 5:03 pm 
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I feel sorry for people with no prem in Babel.



So do I. :(
I would hate to play on that server.

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 Post subject: Re: A complete botfree server
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True completely bot free server : Sun < because not opened yet.

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 Post subject: Re: A complete botfree server
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No server will be botfree, even not in other games

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 Post subject: Re: A complete botfree server
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frankaslt1 wrote:
35-50 lol r u joking me? they r prolly spammers so now u have to waste another 20min to block them all again.

I'd rather they didnt ban the spammers so you didnt have to block them each week. Its not too much hassle, but its annoying when they are just spamming the same thing. Why ban something that just comes back 10mins later spamming the same shit?

Though i wish every server was like Babel. I would love to have a bot-free server... Obviously not even spam bots on babel, would be like heaven!

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No server will be botfree, even not in other games


3 words: World of Warcraft.
Even the town spammers are banned before you have chance to put them on your ignore list.

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 Post subject: Re: A complete botfree server
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Lempi wrote:

BloodyBlade wrote:
No server will be botfree, even not in other games


3 words: World of Warcraft.
Even the town spammers are banned before you have chance to put them on your ignore list.


????

There are bots in WoW and people have posted things before about them..
I believe this video was posted before..

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 Post subject: Re: A complete botfree server
PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 8:02 pm 
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WoW has a bot, afiak.

Honestly, if joymax cared...

Have 1 person go through the servers, and tele to each town banning all the spammers..Wouldnt take long to do, and would be awesome.


Chat restriction could be changed too, make it so if you say 4 things in a row quickly, you are restricted for 10 seconds...Again in the same login session, 15 seconds....20, 25, etc.

Seems like that might work.


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 Post subject: Re: A complete botfree server
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Yes, WoW has a bot called Glider. Very rare to see people using it though, the ones that do wind up getting banned before they can start the bot.

Also, is this battletoads?


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 Post subject: Re: A complete botfree server
PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 8:16 pm 
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Ash wrote:
they should ban gold buyers instead of gold botters (think about it) .


AFAIK they can't tell who buy's gold.


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 Post subject: Re: A complete botfree server
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Tasdik wrote:
Ash wrote:
they should ban gold buyers instead of gold botters (think about it) .


AFAIK they can't tell who buy's gold.

But they could log all transactions.

I doubt non gold buyers sell their special universal pills for 100 mill, even though they are special.

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 Post subject: Re: A complete botfree server
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RiceFarmer wrote:
Babel is an experiment server for Joymax.



i believe babel is the control group..

no bannings there

and on venus they are going for more legits

to see which one brings in more money..

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 Post subject: Re: A complete botfree server
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But how could they tell a gold buyer transaction from a friend giving his friend gold, or someone paying for a pvll?

AFAIK they couldn't. Thus resulting in numerous people getting banned unnecessarily.

Now I'm not advocating gold buying. It's wrong. But I don't see a decent way for them to be able to stop it.


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But how could they tell a gold buyer transaction from a friend giving his friend gold, or someone paying for a pvll?

AFAIK they couldn't. Thus resulting in numerous people getting banned unnecessarily.

Now I'm not advocating gold buying. It's wrong. But I don't see a decent way for them to be able to stop it.


As far as I know, gold companies run gold bot, then transfer all the gold from the bots to a main account. From then they distribute it to customers. If the gold bot accounts were discovered, and and allowed to exist, then the gold was traced. It could be done. Enough people buy gold fine themselves banned right after they buy that shiney assed item, they’ll stop.

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 Post subject: Re: A complete botfree server
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Or they could ban everyone with 2 BIL plus. Seems fair enough, then people would HAVE to trade for suns rather than getting scammed. AND the goldbot accounts would be banned... but... one thing would have to happen first:




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 Post subject: Re: A complete botfree server
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Tasdik wrote:
Ash wrote:
they should ban gold buyers instead of gold botters (think about it) .


AFAIK they can't tell who buy's gold.


I can it's easy :)

ps.:
(30 character / ip) - 24h activity on characters = banned
Chance of banning legit player = 0
Or easier ban all accounts from chinese ip.

But gold companies pay jm a % from profit so ....

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But gold companies pay jm a % from profit so ....


Proof?


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 Post subject: Re: A complete botfree server
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Tasdik wrote:
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But gold companies pay jm a % from profit so ....


Proof?


it's so hard to see 100k connection same time from the same small ip range ....
And it's so hard to build a statistic table from the used ip-s and game times.
Maybe it would even take a day or 2 to ban all the goldbots ....

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 Post subject: Re: A complete botfree server
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sama98b wrote:
Tasdik wrote:
Ash wrote:
they should ban gold buyers instead of gold botters (think about it) .


AFAIK they can't tell who buy's gold.


I can it's easy :)

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(30 character / ip) - 24h activity on characters = banned
Chance of banning legit player = 0
Or easier ban all accounts from chinese ip.

But gold companies pay jm a % from profit so ....



dynamic ip

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 Post subject: Re: A complete botfree server
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i just wish that before they can come up with some smart program to weed bots and gold sellers/buyers, the GMs should really visit and tour every server regularly. spending like 1hr on every server each week is not really too much to expect. and the recent bot bans only involved the spam bots, people should learn to appreciate banning of gold bots. that at least could free the server up for quite many hours before they get crowded again. and the new gold bots have to start all over again from jangan, giving most players a better chance in training at their newly freed spots.


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dynamic ip


You so smart :D

Gold company used ip-s should be pretty close to each other.
30 client on 1 ip / 30 client on the next ip ... they run 24/7 ...
So hard to detect .....
Oh and all of those 30 client loaded ip-s have the same first 6 digits ...
Damn have to turn of the server console not to see them ....

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i just wish that before they can come up with some smart program to weed bots and gold sellers/buyers


That was never jm-s intention.
They out to make the biggest profit possible, can't blame them for that, would do the same.

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