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wow seriously. this thread is filled to the top with morons. what exactly does fixing the SRO leveling system have to do with avalon?

Guthix, your officialy a moron. Im not "applying" rules to anyone.



noooooooo wayyyyyy. i had a level 90 plvl me to 80 in the 80 cap. and i had a level 100 plvl me to 90 did u think before you made ur post? or are you on some serious space cake?

Perseus, yes its very hypocritical to want a more active silkroad.

and i thought only bots were morons... holy f*k this thread is full of winners

avalon wants to ban us from getting plvl, wahhaaaaaa whhaaaaaa whaaaaa

What the fuçk is all this shizznit about?
lol

idk and i dont feel like reading this whole thing...lol

You made this thread yourself and you have explicitly stated that Joymax should fix the whole powerleveling system. Of course this doesn't apply to Avalon only. It applies to the entire game. You said so yourself.



If you aren't applying rules to anyone, then what's the point of this topic? Correct me if I'm wrong, but as far as I understand, you are saying that powerlevling in general is bad for the game, and that something should be done about it. Or am I missing something?



You are missing the entire point of Guthix's post. Your main character might not have been powerleveled, but Guthix is claiming that your/your friends' alts have been powerleveled. And according to your logic, people who powerlevel are robbing other fellow legits of potential party members? (Or am I wrong here again? Please feel free to correct me). Here's exactly what you've stated in your first post:



Nowhere in that paragraph do I see you stating that it's perfectly acceptable to powerlevel your alts (or your friends' alts for that matter).



No Fly, it's hypocritical to complain about an action that you yourself have been guilty of doing few days ago. That's of course, if it's true. I haven't accused you of anything yet. But it would indeed be quite hypocritical if you go around powerleveling people and come here to make this topic. You can refute Guthix's post entirely by proving to us that you and/or the Avalon union doesn't actively resort to powerleveling new characters.



If Guthix is correct about you actively powerleveling others, then the first one banned should be you.

banned? i think your have been puffing on guthix's peace pipe for too long.

the point of this topic was to fix a problem with the gameplay of silkroad. it has nothing to do with whos plvling or why they are plvling.

yeah people in my guild plvl alts. people in your guild also plvl alts. people in bot guilds plvl alts. my mother's brother's friend's coworker plvles an alt. who the hell cares?

the point of fixing the issue is to better the gameplay of silkroad. the patch would apply to everyone, everywhere, at the same time. i would not get some kind of "bonus 1337 god mode hack" because of this.

botting is a problem. due to botters, avalon can attract a shitload of anti-bot members to our guild. we are benefiting, in the form of gaining members, from botters. i want botting to be banned once and for all. am i a hypocrit?

I own and use a car. It looks nice and gets me places. It also releases alot of carbon into the atmosphear. I hate pollution. I am all for clean air and laws to stop carbon gas from being released into the air. Am i a hypocrit?

your logic is messed up. There are some things that are "legit" yet still harmfull. While we cant force other legits to not powerlevel, we can all agree that its harmfull. Joymax CAN force people to not plvl. Joymax SHOULD force people to not plvl. Doing so will stop as meny avalon plvlers as any other legit union out there. We would all be effected by it for the better.

its human nature to interpret wot other ppl says in a way you like.. lmfao.. I always lol in real when I observe the idiotic nature of humans... damnnn

I'll be waiting patiently for the korean translation of the bug report to be finished.

The only issue I have about Joymax's original intentions is that +/- 5 levels is too narrow. Closer to 10 would be better.

**** powerleveling

Id like to add that Fly is a one handed warrior and we all know that as a PL char, it pwns.

\sarcasm

And I have searched Fly's post and no where does it say that JM should ban ppl for pleveling. My reader is pretty good too. He says JM should fix the problem like they fixed other harmful problems like one star popping and mercs.

Here's a nice looooong response.



I was kidding on that part. Of course we know that you won't ban yourself.



On the contrary, it has everything to do with who is powerleveling and why they are powerleveling. You said so yourself in your first post:



That was the "who" part of powerleveling.



I believe you identified the "why" part of powerleveling in that quote too.




"Who the hell cares?" Apparently you do. A lot. You care so much about the powerleveling problem that you've "kicked atleast 300 players" ever since the server opened. Yes, it is indeed a big issue for everyone to care about.



It won't improve the gameplay of SRO for 1 big reason, which I believe have been addressed by others in this topic:

-All the level 6X+ parties will be screwed, especially around Guards and GENS area. This is your "solution", according to your first post:



What happens because of this? Guards pts start around lvl 58. If the leader is lvl 58, a lvl 64 person can't join. GENS start at lvl 65 these days and end lvl 75. If a lvl 65 person joins the pt, then everyone above lvl 70 is immediately alienated. Some for Roc mountain parties, which start around lvl 76. If someone from your party is lvl 76, anyone above lvl 81+ can't join.

In the end, your plan does more harm than good.




Yes, yes. Botting is indeed a problem. I have never disputed that. I don't know why you are bringing this up.

I thought the main reason people are joining Venus is because they already know that the player bots are losing. You are gaining members because the bots are gone, not because there are bots overrunning your server.

But i guess you can argue that Venus is bot-free because you have a lot of anti-bot members.

w/e your point had nothing to do with the topic at hand, which is powerleveling. I'm digressing.



I guess Guthix doesn't have to post pics of you powerleveling anymore. You already implied it.

You analogy fails. Hard. You are comparing a mode of transportation to a free MMORPG computer game with poor customer service? C'mon man, I thought you were smarter than that.

Cars a necessary method of transportation. If you don't ride it, you won't be able to reach your destination on time. What happens when you don't reach work on time? Productivity declines. Workers won't be able to get to their jobs on time, and importing/exporting things would take significantly longer.

What happens when productivity declines? What happens when work doesn't get done on time? The whole economy would collapse. Everything related to the economy is related to transportation. As much as cars emit carbon dioxide into the atmosphere, our economy would have to degenerate back to pre-1920's (before Ford Model T) was invented if petroleum-driven engines were banned. Everything is intrinsically related to the existence of petroleum-driven engines in status quo.

To use cars in status quo despite knowing about carbon emissions does make you a hypocrite to an extent, because transportation driven by alternative energy still hasn't been mass-marketed. But there is no alternative to cars, besides horse-riding or riding bycycles. Horses are rare these days, and no company out there produces enough bicycles to support 6 billion people worldwide. However, there are more than enough cars out there.

If there were enough horses or giant-bicycles out there, or if majority of the cars in status quo were fueled by alternative energy, then yes, riding a car would indeed make you a very big hypocrite.

And...to compare this to your powerleveling issue...

1) powerleveling doesn't affect the in-game economy in anyway. Or atleast not in any way that I'm aware of. You do powerlevel a lot, so you tell me. Automobiles, on the other hand, have significant effects in the economy.

2) you already have a choice of whether or not to powerlevel. The alternative to powerleveling is old-fashioned grinding. There will be no serious consequences if you simply party-play all the way to the cap. Even you agree with me on this. You DON'T have much of a choice if you boycott petroleum-driven cars. Cars are pretty much a necessity; powerleveling isn't.

3) there are no consequences in the real world if you hit the 90 cap faster than others (through powerleveling). If you refuse to ride a car and don't get to your job on time, your employer will definitely fire you (in school-terms, it means you'll be tardy and ultimately get a detention).

4) Cars emit carbon dioxide, which is hazardous for health. A powerbotter grinding alone in a corner doesn't bother anyone. Unless they start ksing, in which case you can either pk him or move away. You can't wish away carbon emissions. Even if alternative energy is becomes readily-available in the market, you still have that big gaping hole in the ozone layer thanks to global warming.



Yes, Fly I agree entirely. What better way to set an example for others than to stop powerleveling yourself? I mean, you "kicked over 300 people" from Venus because they powerleveled, right? When are you and your friends gonna stop?

Eh? Did he switch back from dual axes again?



Yeah, he hasn't said anything about JM banning people. He hasn't said that at all. I don't know which post you are referring to. Fly is only whining about powerleveling when he himself does it.

?????? Did we miss my post ??????

Power-Level wasn't even meant to be in the game. Arguing for the preservation of the bug on the basis of previously gained advantages, and wishing to share such advantages with others is absurd. No matter how contrived, power-level is a bug, a glitch. No amount of arguments for it will change that, and as such; all bugs must be reported and fixed post-haste, whether you gain or lose is not a concern. This is not about Avalon, all bugs should be treated the same; including this one and every other after.

My 2 cents.

About the 6x parties. I don't really see the problem, correct me if I'm wrong but can't you have multiple parties of different levels?? I mean, parties won't really get screwed. Level 81's want to party? They'll party with people +/-5 levels. Level 64 want to party? They'll party with people +/-5 levels. I think the problem here is everyone is in a massive rush to fight mobs 11 levels above them.

It's only acceptable to campaign against something if there are no alternatives for it in status quo.

What are the alternatives to powerlevling?

-soloing (Chinese-style)
-8-man-exp-share-Euro-style-grinding

If powerleveling is considered to be cheating, then it's not acceptable to cheat to your heart's content and later argue that "cheating is wrong." Especially if you've powerleveled/cheated quite recently. According to Guthix, he saw Fly powerleveling just 2 weeks ago. Venus opened around last Thanksgiving. Powerleveling existed even before Venus opened.

No Barotix, I don't advocate powerleveling either. It is indeed a bug and it ruins the game. My argument against Fly is not whether powerleveling should be banned or not, but whether or not he's being hypocritical. According to Guthix, Fly is only started to speak out against powerleveling only because all his other friends (which Fly helped to powerlevel) have been fully-farmed or have reached a high-enough level.

And about your 6X parties--once you reach Guards, there's a MASSIVE shortage of people. There aren't enough people to form 2-3 Guards/Gens parties. Atleast not on Venus. Changing the level restriction would be very bad.

It's only acceptable to campaign against something if there are no alternatives for it in status quo.

What are the alternatives to botting?

1: play legit
2: quit sro
3: get powerleveled
4: buy a char on ebay


useing your own logic and words, it seems like we should all give up the bot war...



my chinese alt is level 46 and it has 12k sp on it. going off a morons argument is not a smart way to argue.

I see your point. Like the botter who levels to 90 fully farmed and stops botting then expects to be accepted warmly by Legits. Hypocrisy is lulzy, standing by my Previous statement will make me appear as a Hypocrite as Power-leveling is nothing more than a legit form of botting.

I back down from this discussion. Carry on.

@Guards, well there aren't enough because of power-level. When people get power-leveled they get lazy and don't feel like grinding. When there is no more power-level they quit.

He has both, but axes are sooooo much more efficient. I mean that is so the preferred pleveling build....

I think you are missing the point. Barotix pretty much said it better than I could. This isnt about who is doing what, its not about Avalon, quit personalizing this so much. You wouldnt NEED to have such a broad spectrum of levels if there were more ppl hand leveling. I sent bug reports to JM about mercs, the quota bug, one star popping and other things that we thought were harmful to the community. You are allowed to have a difference of opinion, but FFS quit saying its all about the Avalon instead of about the issue.

and your argument is silly. You dont have to have never done something to think it isnt good or not. We watched the botters when they had quota and made certain that we used that bug to kill them. We still knew it was a bug and reported it along with our observations about when and how it happened. We only boot the ppl that get bot pleveled, not anyone who gets pleveled.

Once again, you are digressing. This topic has nothing to do with botting. You have listed the alternatives to botting. Unfortunately, I don't see what that has to do with anything pertaining to the topic at hand.

1) Playing legit is how the game ought to be, but sadly not many people outside Venus are legit. All the GMs in SRO are too incompetent to change anything.
2) Many people indeed quit SRO as a result. As a matter of fact, even I did.
3) powerleveling--yeah, that's what we are talking about right now (unfortunately, you keep avoiding my arguments and digress to completely unrelated topics)
4) those who buy their characters from eBay are utter morons for wasting so much money behind this game. It's actually the buyer's loss.



Thanks for informing me that you have a Chinese char, but I don't see what that has to do with anything. Was it powerleveled/powerfarmed? It doesn't make you "more legit" if you are powerleveled but not capped/fully farmed, just like if you bot all the way to lvl 42 and suddenly declare yourself "more legit" than lvl 90 fully-farmed botters.

I mean, I thought it was Avalon/BHA's policy to force ex-botters to start over fresh if they decide to stop botting. If you declare powerleveling to be "un-legit," will you force everyone who's been powerleveled to start over?

Is your reader broken?

He never said it wasnt legit, he said it isnt good for the legit gaming community. To many players that could be in hand grinding parties are relying on pleveling because it is easy. Quit personalizing this and just look at the issue as an issue.

It's only acceptable to campaign against something if there are no alternatives for it in status quo.

botting is "something".



where did u get the idea that plvl is not legit? its counter productive to the community and harmfull in meny ways. but no one ever said its not legit.

it looks like ur arguing just to argue. kinda annoying and counter productive to the situation at hand.

why didn't you post this in the general section?
alot of legits wouldn't mind helping but don't read venus section lulz.

I'm tired of arguing, especially since Fly keeps avoiding all my arguments and never gives direct answers to anything. It's a waste of time on my part.

You guys do whatever you want on Venus.

Your arguments are wasting time.. you got some weird way of understand wot ppl say... had fun observing your human reactions and nature.

Same for you T3DDY it's borderline cult worship.


(lols, remember all the shits in the forums and not the game )

Dumbshit censors going off. Woooooo.

ITS NOT ABOUT Farking VENUS OR Farking AVALON.

It would eliminate power lvl'ing on EVERY FRACKING SERVER. NOT JUST ONE.

So shut the hell up with these stupid "avalon plvl's alts bullshit" nobody cares, good for them.

Alot of people are about as dumb as a 6 year old turk. GG.

uh huh??? ILL PK YOU IN GAME!!!!

so i guess now all glitches = non-legit ... ZOMG BANZ0R ME CUZ I R HAZ GLITCHEZZZZZZZ

it seems to me like perseus actually is arguing just for arguments sake. ignore him, he'll run circles around whoever goes against him.

trying to solve the plvling issue is a good thing. plvling IS a legit form of botting, and it's about time somebody stood up and called out joymax on it. no one is saying plvling is illegal, they just want it outta the game. people were fine before plvling became big, why are so many ppl now resisting this? if u can't grind urself, then u don't deserve a high lvl. that's as simple as it gets.

That's for the stupid people using high res in case they missed it the first time.

Everyone tries so hard to find a flaw in Venus and Avalon that you're all missing the god dam point. It's like you all want Avalon to fail at anything a member tries to throw at you, well for all those people you can sit at your computer and enjoy Botroad online where everyone is afk ksing each other, where there's no pvp/jobbing because everyone's to busy botting for suns, and where everyone has a capped character with 4 million sp pfarmed and they have no clue how to play the character. With no new players who want to start so every town is a ghost town and everyone is friendly in hotan so there's no guild wars. Oh and where JM makes 50 new servers with the same 300 players remaking accounts and multi clienting so much that there's 3k slots taken up.

Yes, that's a very dystopian picture you are describing. Just thinking about it makes me shudder.

This brings me to my 2 cents:

If you want to do something about powerlvling, then you should take the initiative and stop it yourself in-game. Don't expect Joymax to solve this problem overnight (of course, you already knew that). In the meantime, what you can do to discourage powerleveling is to stop powerleveling yourselves and treat other powerlevelers like botters. It helped you drive out the bots from Venus, and I'm sure it can help you stop powerlevelers in Venus too.

Of course, that's just my suggestion. You don't have to follow it and you can powerlevel your alts in the meantime while Joymax takes another 10 years (that's an exaggeration, btw. That would almost make it seem like Joymax has some remotely-competent GMs) to do something. Just don't continue powerleveling in-game in the future, and then later whine in SRF about how "unfair" powerleveling is. That's like a botter complaining about the negative aspects of botting, or a multi-clienter whining about how bad the server traffic is.

I rest my case.

See Fly, your problem is that we clearly stated that you're acting hypocrit. You Come to this thread, whine about Plvling being bad and BS, on how it should be finished, when you did it yourself. You left your friends enough time to plvl their alts, and now that they're probably done, you decide to attack on other people's plvls, not giving a shit if they wanna do it or not.

Also, you bring up the +5/-5 party system bs, but yet when you lvled from lvl 1 to 90, you never applyed that rule to yourself, you're free to do whatever you want and then you tell others to not do it, that's hypocrisy.

"You mean you shouldn't fight the bots", "This is about the bots", "bots plvl 99%" wow seriously, stop brining up stuff about botters, we're discussing my two paragraphs above and how you're being hypocrit, not the war on bots, stop changing the topic all the time to make yourself look right.



That's why he wants to make a rule against it, and even send a petition to joymax to change it. You just scored again ^^



And what does that have to do with anything? That doesnt answer any of my arguments or Perseus' previous arguments.

Wow.. I cant believe this. Too much hatred makes ppl blind. U guys are seriously missing the point. I'm getting sick of forum because of u guys. I'm too old for this. See u guys in game.