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Nope. Don't try to blame all the fault to one person. It's no one 100% full responsibility.
Bots exist because bot programmers exist.
Bots are growing in number because many people use it.
Bots are living because JM doesn't kill them.
But oh, my main point in this topic is not to argue about who to blame. I just want to tell you that turning into bot is not a solution no matter what.

They were punished. But there are too much and they keep comming back. You can put a thief in jail but you can't put a whole nation in jail.
If bots know how to learn a lesson, they wouldn't come back. It's like saying a cop killed a zombie but they keep coming back "alive"

it's not a problem of helpless or not. You can't kill what is not meant to kill. Something can't die if it doesn't have a life.

well looks like were on the same plain of vieuw kinda becuase i do believe its the players fault for starting botting but i also believe its Joymax's fault for letting it keep going althoug in my opinion its a 50/50 blame there both joymax and players have failed sro in letting the botting continue

Im reading this thread and I see you mentioning Venus.

Where were you when Venus was going well? I was there, being legit, playing legit with other legits. Most of you were here in SRF bashing everything that was going on in Venus. Most of you were as anti-Venus as the botters were. You can look over and blame that guy over there for the big steaming pile of poo that SRO has become but it is as much you guys here as it is ANYONE else. You think everything past was good and the present and future is bad. You dont realize that you are the community and you have a lot of leverage against Joymax but you dont use it. Every time someone comes up with a way to help, you all dog pile on them and shoot it down or belittle it.

You wanna hit JM where it hurts? Go out into the gaming community and start talking about how bad JoyMax is. Write an article for a gaming site. Post comments on articles about JoyMax. When you find one, share it with everyone and make a hundred comments. JoyMax only understands the bottom line, mess with that and you will get their attention.

Or you can sit here and cry about how the GMs do nothing... while you sit here and do nothing yourselves. I quit Venus cause I dont think the game will ever be anytihng but a haven for cheaters because the community is so lazy.

Cry baby, cry... more. Your confederation in Venus is not as good as you think.

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The Confed is not as good as I think? LOL The Confederation is gone. It's leaders packed up and moved to another game because I guess everyone realized at the same time that while SRF is willing to cry, bitch and moan about the issues that SRO has, few are willing to lift a finger to actually do anything.

RuYi's first reaction was probably the best one. You guys need a forum called "Wahhhhhmbulance". All anyone here does, with some exceptions, is sob and moan while they do the thing they are publicly sobbing about or even worse, long quit.

Is not? Well, it doesn't exist anymore, so how can it?

WAS not?

The legit's on venus changed that servers entire Farking dynamic and provided a place for players to... PLAY for over 2 years, hundreds and hundreds. Non english and even bot players were completely baffled and changed in terms of PvE and especially PvP. You had to be there to understand what an overwhelming force having dedicated legit players together was- it was the most fun I'd ever had on SRO and I'd do it again if there was a core group of 10 or more people willing to do it.

Either way, all you shits who complained about bots her whawha there, I can almost guarantee if you really disliked botting and wanted to play with people, you would have gone to Venus and had a hell of a great time.

Tl;dr, Legit Venus was an amazing success and it's a damn shame all you closet botters didn't come for the time it was around and enjoy the game.

It's the police's fault for doing nothing, but just as much the thiefs fault- except the thief is the one to make the moral choice between stealing and working for a living. No one has to bot- they ALL CHOOSE TO. That's the bottom line.

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This.

Venus was great while it lasted. The Confed did a great job!

Everyone whines and complains on SRF about SRO, but few people actually do anything about it, like posting articles against Joymax, etc, like someone suggested above. Negative reviews of the company, in large numbers, can work well.



I can understand what you're getting at, but you can't just say that botters have zero blame. It's both botters (and cheaters) and Joymax. Botters can make a moral decision to stop cheating just as well as Joymax can make a moral decision to actually enforce their rules and fight against the cheaters.

Lol Krush.... well hopefully it'll just be the account banned and not topic closed again since you didn't add anything to incite flaming really.

It seems like SRO is living out its last days until SRO 2 is released. Which will def need newer graphics since all new MMO's seem to have CGI-quality graphics from what I've seen... *dreams of Blade and Soul....


On Topic: Thing is, Botters have 0 incentives to switch back since JM won't punish them, and what do they gain? A few hours of grinding, and the eventually them being outlvled by kids who will use this chance to spawnkill as much as possible?

One thing people seem to forget when arguing that botters should stop and play nice is that this game is played by a few intelligent people over the age of 20, while the rest are still experiencing the fun of having their balls dropped or still require having their hands held when they cross the street. They don't have the mental capacity to play normally and plan a strategy to win, they just simply find whatever method they can to win and pwn everyone. Hence you have bots and aimbots, hacks, etc. Who buys these the most, kids.

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Not a clue, but they will milk their cashcow, and JM doesn't seem to have any other game in the works. So yea, not a clue ^_^

SRF user comes back after getting banned
bot comes back after getting banned
all share a common thing, what else could be worst?

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Oh yeah, this is worst. But spam bots still beat ya!

Look honey, you lost.

For elvis it's just your own opninion,for me,that he died isn't that bad,i can tell also that on some of your things can happend something nicer just after,so at the end it's isn't worst than botting.ah and vegetarians are worst than botting?
I like MTV,without atomic bomb you will talk germain...
Ah and about "Negro",what you said is a bit racist.

You're joking if you think I bothered to take the time to write all that. I just googled worst things on earth and copy pasted it. Hence I put the stuff in "quotes." Only the first part where I use commas and are outside the quotes are mine.

BTW, w/o atomic bomb I will talk German? Germany had already surrendered before the bomb was used. It was used to end the war in the Pacific with Japan. Care to explain how you think the bomb prevented us from speaking German?

I have to slightly shift my stance on the topic after considering some more on the matter. I have to acknowledge that the deterioration of SRO is a result of both Joymax's reluctance to properly manage the game and bot players willingness to cheat. But I wont and will not hold that its 50/50 in responsibility just as Silo and _Dutchy_ are trying to portray.

Silo and Dutchy even went as far to say that the players that bot and buy gold are the ones ruining SRO without any mentioning of Joymax's short comings (at least not until I kept countering their point of view. Then they finally started to recognize joymax as part of the problem). I'd have to say in the deterioration of SRO.... Joymax is 90% responsible and bot players 10%(My entire argument b4 this was that JM is 100% reposible). Like I've been saying throughout this thread, The players didn't create SRO...they don't own it ...they don't manage it so its not their responsibility to see that its kept clean. There are two ways in which SRO can be fixed:

1) All bot players miraculously over some time frame decide to stop botting and buying gold even though they've been doing it for years without being punished.

2) Joymax step up to the plate and do their jobs as described in their TOS.

Now you tell me which of the two is more likely to happen...I base my views on the one with the higher odds of happening..Thats why I said Joymax is 90% responsible.

I dug up this article (below) written by a best friend of mine. He's a columnist for this Gaming website. He wrote this about a year ago on game mechanics and the issue of farming for gold in MMORPGs. It goes further into why games are plagued with these kinds of problems and the real people who are at fault when the problem occur. The name of the article is called "Golden Monkey"

http://news.mmosite.com/content/2009-01-03/20090103001643830,1.shtml

none way is going to happen unless you can prove me why would jm fix the game when they got well income monthly?

Lol, I have been following this whole topic, can't you guys just agree to disagree or something like that ?

but you all put up very good points but I do have to agree with Goseki and Budo more. The game wouldn't be in the state it is if Joymax hadn't let it. Period.

Ok guys, you can all stop blaming the turks for being rude, insult and scamming people and destroy the game with bots, coz the one you should blame is their parents for not well teaching them morally... or blame God for letting such people exist...