The ANTI-BOT system (with screenshots!)

Bop · **Joined:** Oct 2008 **Posts:** 1130 **Location:**

NuclearSilo wrote:

Here is some problems:
- they have autologin => they can break through this stuff easily
- in combat state but in condition they don't wear cape and job suit
- let's say you are legit, you go in a safe area then go to toilet. But a mob comes from nowhere (or someone draw it) to force the mob attack you, then flagged you (this situation met often in plvl area)

The best system is the quiz system which involve human intelligence such as : 1+1=? or which is bigger (earth,moon), etc...

this on the other hand would be very successful

REBD · **Joined:** Sep 2008 **Posts:** 601 **Location:**

TheRealAnswer1 wrote:

REBD wrote:

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You're an idiot, just stfu.

Thank you master, I am happy to know that I have finally started moving on the path you showed me. One day I will be a perfect idiot just like you, I promise.

PR0METHEUS · **Joined:** Aug 2006 **Posts:** 4093 **Location:** Earth

p48l0 wrote:

PR0METHEUS wrote:

We should be able to use this to disconnect people being power leveled too. I'd be spending ALL my money DCing all those people tracing on horses. :twisted:

only should work if the person is in combat (like when u want to get on horse after some mob attack you, same way but the opposite)

I don't like the 'in combat' restriction. Then I wouldn't be able to use it against plvl noobs. They should PLAY the game, not trace behind a high level noob who is stealing all of the mobs in my area.

Silver0 · **Posted:** Thu Feb 26, 2009 7:52 pm

bots will just create a way around it so will only be a strain against ppl who dont bot and ppl who go around wasting the money they made

p48l0 · **Joined:** Feb 2009 **Posts:** 61 **Location:** Argentine

Silver0 wrote:

bots will just create a way around it so will only be a strain against ppl who dont bot and ppl who go around wasting the money they made

yey what thats the spirit!

... not.

/Pi · **Joined:** May 2007 **Posts:** 4592 **Location:**

No.

If im tanking, or a cleric is healing, i wudnt want this thing take a party down just because an asshole wants to.

strangelove · **Joined:** Aug 2007 **Posts:** 1255 **Location:** no

This isn't the first time a similar system has been suggested and it has the same flaws. More specifically, it's way too intrusive on the users. Not to mention, it's something that GMs should do personally or install some sort of reporting system. The problem with any user-based system is that you tend to have many people abusing the system for their own advantage.

Issue with the system;
- NPC thieves/traders with splash damage killing people being flagged.
- Multiclient users continuously flagging a single user.
- Multiple users continuously flagging a single user.
- Player being PKed while being flagged.
- Non-botting users accidentally typing the wrong code and getting disconnected while servers are crowded. I would imagine it would cause much frustration.
- Users who are AFK getting hit by mobs (i.e, going AFK while at South DW getting hit by Earth Ghosts).
- The fee is way too small. An ideal fee would be somewhere in the millions range.

Anyway, those are some of the issues I can think of at the top of my head.

BloodyBlade · **Posted:** Thu Feb 26, 2009 9:08 pm

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- Non-botting users accidentally typing the wrong code and getting disconnected while servers are crowded. I would imagine it would cause much frustration.

They could try it up to 2~3 times, after that they get DC?

And I don't think it will work, the programmers of bots will make sure the bot can reconnect..

red_baron2000 · **Joined:** Sep 2006 **Posts:** 82 **Location:**

ofy1993 wrote:

how is an 8-year old suppose to answer that =)?

My kid is 6 and he can answer that.

I think this is a great idea. Even if the bots do have autologin someone sitting behind the screen still needs to click a button to start the login process. You think they sit there all day and watch their bots? I don't think so.

DarkJackal · **Joined:** Feb 2006 **Posts:** 6119 **Location:** A den~

Like we need more useless image verifications.

And 60 mins to flag someone else >.>, yay now you guys can dc 1 gold bot per hour~ That is until it gets fixed and the bot can do it.

Kagami · **Joined:** Feb 2009 **Posts:** 15 **Location:** Ohio

might be kinda annoying in a war >.<

Wolf_Pl · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 17 **Location:** Karakoram

Good idea, but JM never use any users suggestions. Right now, newest version of bot, got a AUTO LOGIN & Auto Re-Login. Using capcha thing ^^ So DC after no responding is POINTLESS. And remeber, sum1 can go AFK on spot, u flag him and b00m dc. I think better option is Block for logging back 2h, and u can flag dude, that atack mob at least 20 sec.

Sry for my eng. I hope u understand me. GreeTz

bojeeng · **Joined:** Feb 2009 **Posts:** 173 **Location:** Germany

I think it is a really good idea, it just needs tweaking

NuclearSilo · **Posted:** Thu Feb 26, 2009 10:57 pm

p48l0 wrote:

NuclearSilo wrote:

Here is some problems:
The best system is the quiz system which involve human intelligence such as : 1+1=? or which is bigger (earth,moon), etc...

Like this? I think is GREATE A IDEA!!! and not so dificult to implement!

Do you break silkroad code or what? How come you know to insert text and have the correct font of the image code? I suspect you from the first post

Insanity · **Joined:** Jul 2008 **Posts:** 547 **Location:**

id just like to point out at the OT starter that **** bot cracked the captcha's. all they would have to do is add the captcha log in to where it it pop-up it would type in the code. and this idea would get mis-used by a LOT of people. i personally, don't like it.

AznFury · **Posted:** Thu Feb 26, 2009 11:23 pm

dc doesn't sound harsh enough.

maybe something like a temporary ban (maybe 5,10,30 minutes or something).

then on the 3rd time they fail = perm ban? (after the 2 temporary bans). sorta like a merit system.

zatomik · **Joined:** Jul 2008 **Posts:** 29 **Location:**

I think problem isnt that Joymax DONT know what to do with bots, they just dont want to do something with them:)

When they want they can use easy, silent way. Bot programs use own network packages, which they made. For example package can contain that char ID xxx want buy 50 items yyy (Hp pots). When u use bot program it automaticly generate and send this packages.
Joymax can make little update and change IDs of items. And learn server to work with both ID, so bot will buy HP pots using OLD ID and legit players will buy pots using NEW ID. and than u have 2 groups, one ban, second live:p I think this should normally work, but nobody in joymax WANT that it works:)

NuclearSilo · **Posted:** Thu Feb 26, 2009 11:30 pm

aznfury91 wrote:

dc doesn't sound harsh enough.

maybe something like a temporary ban (maybe 5,10,30 minutes or something).

then on the 3rd time they fail = perm ban? (after the 2 temporary bans). sorta like a merit system.

Hey don't be so harsh! I used to fail at typing 3 times especially with the 0, O, B, and 8 look like the same

red_baron2000 · **Joined:** Sep 2006 **Posts:** 82 **Location:**

ofy1993 wrote:

red_baron2000 wrote:

ofy1993 wrote:

how is an 8-year old suppose to answer that =)?

My kid is 6 and he can answer that.

how is a kid 6 year old who know English suppose to answer;

Which one is bigger

A) Moon b) Sun.

50% ftw :roll:

Well, my son just read that and answered correctly. Maybe he's just a genius?

6-year olds don't need to be playing the game anyway. I still think this is a good idea, just needs tweaking.

p48l0 · **Joined:** Feb 2009 **Posts:** 61 **Location:** Argentine

NuclearSilo wrote:

Do you break silkroad code or what? How come you know to insert text and have the correct font of the image code? I suspect you from the first post

The text is Arial size 12 and the image distortion is a photoshop filter (wave)
oh no wait... yes i'm a hacker... mmmm... swordfish... mmmm... halley berry... mmmmhhh...

DarkJackal · **Joined:** Feb 2006 **Posts:** 6119 **Location:** A den~

If a human can recognize it i'm sure they could make a program, and if a program can know what codes are on the image verification it can know what +, =, *, ect is as well, and obviously know what they mean and put them together. Naybe if it was a simple question? But unless they constantly change or something they would still just be answered after the question is recognized and has the right answer.

Need
Something that doesn't need to be repeated after seeing it.
Something unrepeatable, so it's different every time.
Better security, isn't the stuff just gettin cracked and removed or w/e anyway?
Get rid of Joymax

That should just be for logging in at most, don't need that crap while your playing, need some actual GM's for an anti botting system.

Seems pretty stupid that it would take so much effort into simply getting rid of botting in a game >_>.

JoyFax · **Joined:** May 2008 **Posts:** 1095 **Location:** PORTUGAL

Dunno if it's been said but...

An euro party is grinding in higher lvl mobs... someone decides to flag the cleric (right in the moment where some healing bufs went off / someone died) yay! ?

Don't bother taking time to make those things... Joymax won't bother either...

ltsune · **Joined:** Mar 2008 **Posts:** 5751 **Location:**

I think it's a great idea but it will probably never be implanted as joymax don't seems to have "time" for such things :banghead:

jarrod · **Joined:** Sep 2006 **Posts:** 708 **Location:**

the idea is similiar to the ones implement in ROHAN... anyway the game died.. cuz ppl start to abuse it..

in rohan if u're be put in jail(for a certain period of time) if you failed to key in the image code thingy... and if you failed for the 8th time(accumulative), u'll get permanent ban lol..

nohunta · **Posted:** Fri Feb 27, 2009 2:06 am

Should i even post my opinion? It wont even be implemented even tho it is a good idea. Cabal XD

William-CL · **Joined:** Feb 2007 **Posts:** 7363 **Location:** N/A

I almost like this idea with a few minor defects. Like before mentioned, PvPers. Or Jobbers that may be afk. With traffic as bad as it is, it will be hard for them to relog.

-.- · **Posted:** Fri Feb 27, 2009 2:13 am

hm, so we cant even afk to take piss now while outside town?

i dont know about you turks but i dont keep a tin can next to me

p48l0 · **Joined:** Feb 2009 **Posts:** 61 **Location:** Argentine

-.- wrote:

hm, so we cant even afk to take piss now while outside town?

i dont know about you turks but i dont keep a tin can next to me

Are you kidding me? i already say is only valid if you are in COMBAT not idle.

Toshiharu · **Joined:** Feb 2008 **Posts:** 4222 **Location:** Nowhere

p48l0 wrote:

Toshiharu wrote:

I'm stepped out of town. Now maybe if you said he is in 'combat' then I suppose would be something else.

However the whole idea of yours is still fail.. Why? It'll only work for a couple weeks until the bot programmers find a way to answer back.

Perfect example.. The protectors. Anyone remember these? Cheap and usable every hour. Used to kill only noobs after a month of them out.

A bot that read the image verification and complete it? if some1 do that program it whould be rich! lol

Give it time. I'm sure something has been already made, but its either private or the guy is charging too much. Either way.. step in the way of a bot company they'll fix it asap. Man.. the antinokes was fun for a good week. I got the same guy 3 times while he was baby sitting. Fun fun

Diaty · **Posted:** Fri Feb 27, 2009 5:47 am

This is a good weapon against Unique Hunters also. Right when they are attacking the Unique stop him in his tracks and make him attempt the image code. Fun, fun, stops him in his tracks while you keep attacking the Unique. Or those pesky squishy wizzards in your area? Pull a bunch of mobs on them, or anyone else who is beeing clobbered by a bunch of mobs, stop him in his tracks with the imagae code, and make him die. Or tick off some people that are jobbing, pvping, ect.

Your idea is stupid...

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