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I get this feeling that that video is brainwashing. The dude keeps repeating himself over and over.

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The bible doesnt promote young earth. the period of time between the creation of the universe and the terraforming of the earth is unidentified.

No, it gives the genealogy of Abraham all the way back to Adam to within 1 year.
Then we look at recorded history to see when Abraham lived. The only discrepancy is from Abraham up to today. There is dispute as to the date of his actual birth by as much as nearly 300 years by some scholars. Most think Abraham was born around 2000 b.c.
If you add todays date 2011 + 2000 (b.c.) + 2215 (the total time in the genealogy) you get 6226 years.

The Bible does not state the age of the earth. But it does give a reference point from creation to Abraham's birth to within 1 year. We know from history about when Abraham lived. Its easy to calculate.

...that doesnt change the potential age of the earth. the earth remained void and in a state of desolation until terraforemed and mans placement.

Best christian workaround evar. lol

So dinosaurs shambled about on a bare and un "teraformed" planet that was in existence prior to god "making" earth.

the bible simply speaks of the age of man. there may well have been an age prior to man that was the dinosaurs. after which the earth was again void and desolate and re-terraformed.

I like it when people become godtouched bible writers when presented with nonbliblical facts.

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balderdash. this is my attempt to respond to the first video you posted. just to give you something to consider and think about in case the video really is brainwashing.

1. why won't God heal amputees? why can't you regenerate like a lizard? why don't you have superpowers? why is it that the lame can walk and the blind can see but the amputee can not be given a new human limb? who knows? but you cannot claim that amputees don't get miracles or that God ignores them. that's faulty logic and is anecdotal not based on research. my origins lie in Nigeria where the lame and blind abound as beggars and i have seen amputees receive healings and miracles in my lifetime. whether they are from God or not.

2. it's our job to fix it. take a listen at the song "If we are the body" by casting crowns. it's point is. if christians are supposedly the body of Christ, then not working to fix the problems of the world means Christ isn't either which would mean that Jesus is not the solution the world needs. true christianity is much more in tune with human needs than one would think.

3. according to Jews themselves, there was a time when stoning was normal. but it is now considered a hypothetical upper limit on the severity of punishment because God alone, not fallible man, is the only arbiter of life and death.

4. nonsensical info? 6 days yes, but who knows the length of each day? the sun and moon weren't created till the 4th day so how was time measured?
worldwide flood? the bible's not the only one that speaks of it. but even if it was, does the story have to be taken as literal? afterall, storytelling ALWAYS has a purpose.
Jonah? it may or may not have happened physically. but again. must a story be literal? can you not extract wisdom and truth from stories? have you visibly observed a turtle beat an hare in a race?
whether or not god created man from dust. will you deny that you are made up of the very same chemicals, elements, and atoms found throughout the earth, whether from the earth's crust or the air.

my point. it is true that most Christians won't say that biblical stories of foundation are fables but is a fable nonsensical? or can much sense be found in it? consider Aesop (however you spell it).

5. who says he was? need i mention that the abolitionists founded their principles on the basic rights of human beings echoed in the bible. slavery was common practice at certain points in time.

and btw. the bible's discussion of slavery is about their proper, humane, and godly treatment and service (check the verses the video listed if you wish).

6. what nuclearsilo said.

7. consider miracles from any other source. all you hear is stories. only eye witnesses can collaborate. and what happens if those witnesses die? the miracle becomes a story without evidence.

8. you can't. but there are many who claim that he has. believe them or not. your choice. must buddha or confucius appear to me before i believe his words? must anthony flew or richard dawkins or socrates appear to me? they can choose to appear to me if they want but i guarantee that they only appear/respond to an elite few.
p.s. keep in mind that with those examples i am only speaking of believing their words, not whether they actually exist or not

9. are Christians physically eating and drinking his blood? or is it symbolic? the fact that thy are not physically eating and drinking his blood removes it from the category of cannibalism or satanic rituals.

10. that's just a very big problem. christian or not. but have you considered that divorce is much more prevalent in the western/european world than traditional circles because of the degradation of the importance of such a union? and how do you know that God really put two people together and it wasn't a human decision? perhaps this is why there are no "wedding vows" in the greek orthodox church because the demands and requirements of marriage (like not opting out) should already be understood by both partners.

and like cell said. the earth existed before it became the earth we know. before the commands of creation, the kjv of the bible says: "And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters." jps translation by jews says "Now the earth was unformed and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep; and the spirit of God hovered over the face of the waters."

Ill edit thes when I can answer, my party wouldnt appreciate my distraction.



You show me a picture of a guy who his arm missing and then an after pic of the same guy with an arm regrown and Ill buy what ur selling. So far, that has never happened. Prayers can cure all manner of illnesses, but amputations seems to go unhealed.


Wut? So those Christians who live in places where they starve and die are put there as a lesson to more fortunate Christians who live in more affluent locations?

So fallible man wrote the bible but only the parts that people no longer wish to follow are the parts that are attributed to the fallibility of man. I say the whole book was written by such men and is attributed to that fallibility.



Your own example works against you. Aesop's fables have never claimed to be the truth, they were written to be tools to teach people in simple language lessons of life. No one claims that he is a diety or that his stories were ever true. So what youa re saying is that SOME parts of the bible are anecdotal and some others are only partly true while yet others are the whole truth. I think that all you really said in your rebuttal was the same thing the video says, that the stories are just myths meant to teach, not any kind of real event.
Im sure slaves everywhere will appreciate that god wants them to be treated well in their enforced servitude. How much is your mother on the open market would you say?So god doesnt treat you any better than he treats Hindus, Muslims, Jews, Wiccans or even blasphemers like me. No, dont bother telling me that your reward is in the afterlife. That is a circular argument aht completely relies on your belief and is therefor no argument at all.

Again, fables and nice stories.



A single pic would be cool. There are more pics of UFOs than there are of Jesus appearing and pics of grilled cheesus dont count.
Everything about that is wrong. It's pretty gross if you think about it, even symbolically consuming the flesh of another human like being is abhorrent.

Yes, its modern and scientific to say, "Hey, I dont like you anymore, Im leaving!". Damn those atheists for their degredation! haha

You're a biblical writer too? Do all christians have knowledge that god chose NOT to include in the bible? lol So it's all a matter of interpretation huh?

Actually, I just wanted to argue my side of the religion vs. atheist story. I dont really care if you believe in some fictional all knowing deity in the sky. You have the right to believe as you wish and I have the right to believe you delusional and silly. No matter how stridently you argue, I will never believe in fairies, unicorns, leprechauns, god, Santa, Zeus, the tooth fairy or Buddha.

Someone lock or move this to OTL already.... the OP hasn't posted in the last 2 pages. Random religions debates don't belong in SRO GD.

balderdash. mind if i reply in a pm?
Goseki is absolutely correct

That reminds me of something ...

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