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Goseki
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Post subject: Re: Black Res is IMPOSSIBLE!!! Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2011 1:12 am |
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UnbeatableDevil wrote: Goseki wrote: Yes, it's obvious that a team of chinese will be pwned by a team of Euros. I doubt it's the point of the game to have two teams pvp forever and no one ever really loses.
Since you talk about partying, do you have an int cleric? Kinda BS that a warrior is able to heal and keep a party alive imo.
Oblation works well when grinding, that doesn't mean it doesn't ruin pvps. The warrior lures are amazing in pve, doesn't mean it should be used ever in a pvp. Just because something works well in one setting doesn't mean it was well though out and works well in the other half of the game mechanics. I don't know where i was talking about warriors acting as clerics in parties..but ok. Yes they can cleric in a party w/ a non-lazy bard, same as a str bard. I can see where you are coming from on the oblation thing, but the analogy doesnt make sense at all lol.. Well, it's more along the lines of stuff that Joymax has made happen that doesn't make any sense. Oblation is great for party grinding at higher lvl mobs. Kinda ruins pvp. Str builds in any other games are good at tanking because of the high str, not because they could heal. Healing hp is similar to healing mp. Should be an int-based build to benefit from the heals. Joymax's calculations on heals bases it more on the cleric rod being held, thus pure str are able to heal almost as efficiently as their int counterparts. This gives str cleric builds a huge advantage in solo pvp where they would normally fail.
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Post subject: Re: Black Res is IMPOSSIBLE!!! Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2011 1:33 am |
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ah now i see what you were talking about
Yeah i agree, I think atm its 50% based on cleric rod and 50% based on the char's magic balance, which can be easily increased w/ ints on gear etc.
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Post subject: Re: Black Res is IMPOSSIBLE!!! Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2011 9:12 am |
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UnbeatableDevil wrote: Legs wrote: He said like this "A team of chinese will obviously get pwned by a team of Euro, thats the point of the game -_-'"
thats the point of the game. I cant belive you, goseki, didnt find that dumb as ****. Are you stupid? Euros are supposed to be better in party play, while chinese are supposed to be better at solo. Its no surprise that a full euro party would own a full chinese party Goseki wrote: Yes, it's obvious that a team of chinese will be pwned by a team of Euros. I doubt it's the point of the game to have two teams pvp forever and no one ever really loses.
Since you talk about partying, do you have an int cleric? Kinda BS that a warrior is able to heal and keep a party alive imo.
Oblation works well when grinding, that doesn't mean it doesn't ruin pvps. The warrior lures are amazing in pve, doesn't mean it should be used ever in a pvp. Just because something works well in one setting doesn't mean it was well though out and works well in the other half of the game mechanics. I don't know where i was talking about warriors acting as clerics in parties..but ok. Yes they can cleric in a party w/ a non-lazy bard, same as a str bard. I can see where you are coming from on the oblation thing, but the analogy doesnt make sense at all lol.. Ofc the euros are made for fighting in party but saying that it is the point of the game is for the chinese to be raped by euros is just plain stupid. Cuz you actually said ITS THE POINT OF THE GAME as if its the reason one would play.
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Post subject: Re: Black Res is IMPOSSIBLE!!! Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2011 9:45 am |
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Legs wrote: Ofc the euros are made for fighting in party but saying that it is the point of the game is for the chinese to be raped by euros is just plain stupid. Cuz you actually said ITS THE POINT OF THE GAME as if its the reason one would play. U just said it urself that it was the point of the game.
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Post subject: Re: Black Res is IMPOSSIBLE!!! Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2011 9:56 am |
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omier44 wrote: Legs wrote: Ofc the euros are made for fighting in party but saying that it is the point of the game is for the chinese to be raped by euros is just plain stupid. Cuz you actually said ITS THE POINT OF THE GAME as if its the reason one would play. U just said it urself that it was the point of the game. Whut?
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Post subject: Re: Black Res is IMPOSSIBLE!!! Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2011 10:18 am |
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They are made for being able to slaughter party-style in PvE. BUT, since almost every cleric skill works on your self aswell that means that they can also play PvE solo very good. And therefor they will be OP in PvP compared to a chinese. It's complete bullshit that they've made the cleric skills working as solo skills aswell.
One simple way to get things as it was meant to be (CHN = solo PvE and good in solo PvP, EUR = party PvE and not so good in solo PvP) is to make most of the skills cleric has to only party buffs, make the heal draw from your INT points and not from your weapon, and last but not least. Make the Black Ress so it can't be used while in PvP status or job status.
It's not that hard for them to make it like I said, and it would improve almost every aspect of this game.
Nuff said.
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Post subject: Re: Black Res is IMPOSSIBLE!!! Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2011 8:47 pm |
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Legs wrote: Whut? Some posts before u said it was the point of the game and then you say it's bullshit. Legs wrote: He said like this "A team of chinese will obviously get pwned by a team of Euro, thats the point of the game -_-'"
thats the point of the game. I cant belive you, goseki, didnt find that dumb as ****. Legs wrote: Ofc the euros are made for fighting in party but saying that it is the point of the game is for the chinese to be raped by euros is just plain stupid. Cuz you actually said ITS THE POINT OF THE GAME as if its the reason one would play. 
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Post subject: Re: Black Res is IMPOSSIBLE!!! Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 1:25 am |
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omier44 wrote: Legs wrote: Whut? Some posts before u said it was the point of the game and then you say it's bullshit. Legs wrote: He said like this "A team of chinese will obviously get pwned by a team of Euro, thats the point of the game -_-'"
thats the point of the game. I cant belive you, goseki, didnt find that dumb as ****. Legs wrote: Ofc the euros are made for fighting in party but saying that it is the point of the game is for the chinese to be raped by euros is just plain stupid. Cuz you actually said ITS THE POINT OF THE GAME as if its the reason one would play.  In the first quote, I belive he forgot to put "" in that sentence. Imo it was a quote, not a statement.
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JuelzSantana wrote: technically speaking all i need is DOT for dull and wheel bind to kill a chinese char but the other stuff just adds salt to the wounds
im telling i never lose to chinese
edit: and if ur the type to throw up a fire wall or ice wall, i just walk away and sit down lol
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Post subject: Re: Black Res is IMPOSSIBLE!!! Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 3:21 pm |
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I'm a rogue/cleric, so I may have some bias, but I also agree black ress needs some slight changes.
1. Increase cool down to 40 seconds. Anymore is excessive.
2. Decrease the defense buff from wherever it is now (70%?) to 50% defense increase.
3. Decrease duration of the buff to 30 seconds. I believe that the point of black ress is to prevent players from being immediately killed before they can buff/be buffed. 30 seconds allows them to be buffed, but still will not result in an endless pvp. This means black ress would run out 10 seconds before the skill is usable again.
I think that's about all that needs to be done about black ress.
Other things: Chinese archer KB's really should be linked.
The critical passive for warriors is insane. Replace it with a different passive, or lower it a lot. They get roughly 20crit with a simple 61% crit 2h.
Lower/remove the chance of knock back on a couple 2h skills. Bash, Daredevil, Turn rising can be used without any cooldown interference, and can prevent a player from attacking for ages.
Replace the stealth skill with something else. As it is now, the skill is useless, nearly every party has at least 1 player with the pk2 edit. However, if it were to be fixed completely, it would be quite overpowered.
Scorn should be a warrior skill, give rogues something else. Why do warriors get a crit passive while rogues get scorn? Seems reversed to me (though, rogues with 30crit+ would be insane).
I think that's about all I ever whine about.
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Post subject: Re: Black Res is IMPOSSIBLE!!! Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 4:49 pm |
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Rogues with crit passive would be fcked up. Scorn should stay as a rogue skill imo. And archers should have the same cooldown for all the combos or for the last combos at least. But Stealth should stay. It's very useful in some situations of PvE, not only PvP. Lol what would happen when Invisible got removed. That would be nice to watch. 
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