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don't bots redirect ports and make your pc use those? IF legal we can make a port sniffer and sniff if those ports are being used by a certain IP of a user? or is it that illegal?

Reminds me of this program that would check if people had too many enhancements on their cars in Need for speed underground. But that is just like what rev6 is doing, In silkroad, you never directly connect to somebody. All info is sent from their servers.

yah i think most or all bots now connect via redirected ports, and i can a port sniffer that scans specific ports that the bots use, and the admins can get a suspicious person ip and input and scan to see if its open or not and it if is it can add on to the evidence (shouldn't be official though!

never hurts to step up to the plate once in awhile, meh its just a suggestion too a growing problem

Who cares, he wants to reduce members of srf even more lol

Not to mention just plain illegal... at least in some states. SRF (and any other entity out there) has every right to scan its own servers, but they have no right to scan any of our computers or networks.

I bet no-one wants to know the truth about who's a botter and who aint anyways. 99% of sro?

Well first of all Im pissed, some you ..... people need to grow the ..... up ok, second of all I'm glad for the responses. It's not scanning "servers", its scanning IPs, for open bot ports, and thats why I asked if it was legal, it was just a suggestion because it's against the rules. I'm sorry I want to correct something. And you know what, Bill Gates might have donated millions of dollars to people, go to church every week, and be a good person overall, but damn if he robs a bank, hes goin to jail ok! hes not excused. So how bout you people on here have good posst, stop being a damn crybaby. And I sware to god if a single one of you flame this post or have a lil bitchy reply you just proved my damn point even more!

but now where were we

it might be against the law, I don't know, but it wouldn't scan by the masses, there would be a complaint on SRF user abt botting, the admin checks the ip, scans the persons ip and u could then have some sort of other evidence , any other USEFUL replies?

It doesn't matter if I scan Microsoft's public facing web servers, every web/database/email server in the US Army, NASA's servers for the space program, or a single computer owned by someone on SRF. It's still illegal, unless the user gives you permission. Even then, that user's ISP might not allow it.

I'm not trying to flame or anything. I'm just saying...

It is not breaching a computer its just basically looking if doors are opened, they don't enter them. I don't know, ill look at some laws

This is madness! To think SRF would have anymore botters... I trust all the members, and I believe that none of them bot. <3 Oh the sleep I would lose if there were actually botters on this forum, and more so, if it was a friend of mine =(

Well I just couldn't live with that. I'd have to quit life.

How can you even get on these forums if you think a botter would use them too?

This might, after some proper study, be one way to make sure bots can NOT be used anymore.

It's one of the many ways possible to make sure SRO is 3rd party program-free.


I've learned over the last year in my software engineering course that it's not that hard at all to make that happen. It sickens me though.

Nothing you can do. The update and joymax's new word since legend 5 seem promising, but i haven't seen any results so far. I'm slowly awaiting with a paypal account ready...

I can use TeamViewer to access your computer to check if you give me permission

Read this thread first viewtopic.php?f=2&t=102701

that seems like a lot more work though, than just simple ip input check and verify system, no encryption, no accessing any form of "hardware" or "software". Hmm I'm going to make a quick sniffer ok, I'm going to open a specific port on my pc, and u can download it and run it to verify its open

I DO GIVE YOU PERMISSION TO CHECK

It's going to have one open port and one closed

Why don't we just buy a predator drone and then spy into everyones windows, searching for some bot tabs

No offense, but don't you think that some of you may take this bot stuff a little bit to serious?

Lol...Yeah, um I think it's pretty funny how these guys are getting so defensive and shit, honestly that is really suspicious...

Plus pretty much everyone I have seen on SRF that still play sro for the past year has been proven to bot or some type of illegal client shit..

Really I think it would be great if the OP really did this and see if 100% of these people who are against this shit are actually bots themselves lmao

And what if people dont have a router ? that means every "door" is open, all the way from 1-65535.

Or like me, running DMZ host in the router so i dont have to port-forward for every game i like to host a server at.

you can check what port is connected to

Meh most people have some sort of firewall running, if not they wouldn't be a happy camper

Exactly. I have a firewall on my router to protect the whole network, and also iptables on my desktop to help provide further protection.

BUT! bots and programs need to open ports to work

so u may have all of em closed but programs will open certain ones

so it will be like

port 69 - closed
port 1000 - closed
port 2000 - closed
port 3000 - open (the program is using this port)

so if we can find the specific ports bot use, u can see if they are open

This is a violation of privacy, cause if you could look at one port or wtv, you could look at all. That means you can see what I'm doing which is a violation of my privacy, youtube isn't even allowed to check which videos you've watched...This is far fetched and ain't gonna happen lol. I think some of you need to remember that this is just a game, and to go on some witch hunt for bots is just retarded, leave the witch hunting to the witch hunters *joymax*. If this does start happening though, I'd like to see gaige checked first rofl..

Yes but ports aren't always unique. Bot software might use a port, say port 3842, and I could write a completely unrelated program that just happens to use port 3842.

Either way, I think you'd need the permission of the user in question, and perhaps his ISP, in order to scan him. I doubt anyone using questionable software would allow a scan.

You can check what ip that port is connected to. If it's a bot server IP, then the program must be a bot client
In every packet, there are source/destination IP/port

By agreeing to connect your computer to the internet, you allow access to the whole internet unless you whitelist only certain things like browsers and sro through router settings or a firewall.

By simply pinging a computer (testing connectivity to a PC, which is not illegal), you're port-checking because it has to connect through a port, correct? A port checker only does that a couple thousand times(depending on how many ports checked) on different ports over a specified amount of time. There's very few ports used by bots, so only a known list of ports would be checked.

Also, you give up a certain amount of rights by agreeing to a ToS on a game and on a Forum. Botting violates ToS and Rules of not only SRO but also Silkroad Forums, a simple change to the ToS can allow either party to port-check you without negative returns as long as said party releases an announcement that such a ToS was changed and that if one was not comfortable with the change of Terms of Service, they may feel free to request removal from or deny the service provided.

You're talking about packet sniffing. A port scanner won't give you that information. It will only tell you what services I have open for other people to connect to and use. See below.



Actually, a port scanner only checks to see what ports on my computer (or border router) are open to connections from the outside world. It does not check to see what ports my computer is connected to. If I run a web server, you'll see port 80 open so users out on the Internet could connect to port 80 on my computer for HTTP traffic.

If on the other hand, I run a bot client, I'm assuming that the bot client does not accept connections from the outside world. Instead, it makes a connection to a bot server. This connection is outbound, likely on a high numbered port (above 1024). I don't think you'd see this connection on a port scan from the outside. Now if I was running a bot server, you could identify the port that my server has open for botters to connect to.

In order to see my outbound connections, you'd have to gain access to my computer's operating system, or perhaps my border router. Good luck doing either of those legally. You could also run a packet sniffer on my ISP's network, but good luck doing that without them having a thing or two to say about it.

Port scanning itself may not be illegal since it is just ringing doorbells, unless the apparent intent is malicious. However, I think the legality of packet sniffing is a bit different. You can't just 'ring my doorbells' to see that I'm making a connection to Amazon.com to make a purchase. You'd just find what connections I'm making available for other people to connect to me.

Guys is it just me, or is this going a little bit TO far?

checking others computers by TeamViewer because you might think he lie to you. Jeez.