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 Post subject: Re: Just a little curious...
PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 8:22 pm 
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Keep in mind the people who made it to 90+ in 2 months weren't completely farmed either.

Playing 2-3 hrs per day and no weekends, I got to 60 in a month. The parties are the key, and those 90+ people had a hardcore group to help them at a specific time. Very few had premium.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 8:37 pm 
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yeah right , like a bot pt can ever beat a legit pt ''that is organised''
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we started on azteca when bots were 50+
in1 month we were 60 bots were 70
in 2 months we were 93+ bots were 99
you still think bot pt's are better ?
then come to azteca you will see


Since I like messing with ppl like you. Here ya go:

You claim that in 2 months you reached 93+.
I'll be nice, let's just say you're 93.
2 months, that's ~61 days.
You gained 92 lvls in 61 days.
Assuming you can play EVERY SINGLE DAY for your claimed "3 hours a day", and there's no inspection, etc... that's 1.51 lvls per day.
So 3 hours a day, = you get 50% exp every hour whenever you and your legit buddies grind. I can see this happening up to maybe around lvl 50?

So let's just jump ahead to your benchmark. You hit lvl 60 in 1 month, meaning you only lvled from 60-93 in 1 month, gaining 33 lvls over 30 days. That's over 1 lvl per day. Meaning you get ~35% every hour grinding.

No prem you say? That's pretty amazing then. I'm pretty sure if you're able to grind at that speed, it's a world record of some sort.

So really, did you guys really grind to 90+ or did you get into some kind of secret powerlvl? Hmm?

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 Post subject: Re: Just a little curious...
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ofc you think i'm lying , cauze you are used to play with bots , not legits ,
if you rly think you are that smart by calculating how much % we should gain each day
but then still you are not in a legit guild , u are used to play with bot buddies
and we are used to play with legit people who actualy know how to play

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lol 3hrs a day? get 93+ in 2 months? Too good to be true. Even when spend those 3hrs from lv80 hunting medusa, it still not enough time to make it Lv93+ in 2months with just 3 hrs a day.

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on csro they got lvl 90 with 3 days of non stop playing thats like 3x24=72 hours
3 hours a day X 61 days = 183 hours , big diffrence huh ?

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on csro they got lvl 90 with 3 days of non stop playing thats like 3x24=72 hours
3 hours a day X 61 days = 183 hours , big diffrence huh ?

Don't want to interfere but the rates on Csro for leveling up are a Lot less than Isro , so unless you are currently playing in Csro , that example doesn't really work .

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 1:18 pm 
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on csro they got lvl 90 with 3 days of non stop playing thats like 3x24=72 hours
3 hours a day X 61 days = 183 hours , big diffrence huh ?

Don't want to interfere but the rates on Csro for leveling up are a Lot less than Isro , so unless you are currently playing in Csro , that example doesn't really work .


if they are less, why are they leveling up faster ?!

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on csro they got lvl 90 with 3 days of non stop playing thats like 3x24=72 hours
3 hours a day X 61 days = 183 hours , big diffrence huh ?

Don't want to interfere but the rates on Csro for leveling up are a Lot less than Isro , so unless you are currently playing in Csro , that example doesn't really work .


if they are less, why are they leveling up faster ?!

Do i have to clarify every word ?


The "exp" rates required to leveling up in Csro are a lot less than the "exp" rates in Isro that are needed to level up .

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 Post subject: Re: Just a little curious...
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ofc you think i'm lying , cauze you are used to play with bots , not legits ,
if you rly think you are that smart by calculating how much % we should gain each day
but then still you are not in a legit guild , u are used to play with bot buddies
and we are used to play with legit people who actualy know how to play


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on csro they got lvl 90 with 3 days of non stop playing thats like 3x24=72 hours
3 hours a day X 61 days = 183 hours , big diffrence huh ?


1) cSRO exp requirement are a LOT lower than iSRO.

2) Righhhtttt.... i don't think I'm the one that's playing with "bot buddies". The numbers speak for themselves. You got called out on your BS, so admit it. Either you made up those random numbers, or you and your friends had some "help". Gaining that much exp in that short of a time is just impossible in iSRO, Joymax made sure of it.

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 Post subject: Re: Just a little curious...
PostPosted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 2:04 pm 
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RoOF wrote:
on csro they got lvl 90 with 3 days of non stop playing thats like 3x24=72 hours
3 hours a day X 61 days = 183 hours , big diffrence huh ?


Don't feed the trolls atleast half the poeple on this forums are bots and they will argue to death that there bots are beter then legits, Can't do much about it since they won't admit they bot however the poeple your arguing with i mean ... its quite obvious

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I'm willing to bet that there was indeed some powerlevel, but someone had to make it to 90 to help out.

There were several events in there with XP scrolls, CTF gives that too, and while only a couple had premium plus, that's enough to give them a boost to get to 90, help their friends, etc.

I was in Avalon briefly on Azteca, and bots *were* banned frequently and instantly when they were found. I don't know RoOF that well, but what he's saying was indeed done by legits under Avalon's supervision. <shrug>

You weren't there, you don't know the people and how long they leveled. Those 3 hrs weren't "let me go to the bathroom, brb" from what I was told is 3 *solid* hours of partying in the best possible places with people who party well. If the diehard legits are bot supporters, then kill the exposed botters section, kill SRF and change the rules, etc.

But there are definitely people on this forum who do NOT bot, don't get bot powerlevel, don't buy gold.

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I know how long and how fast it is to grind in a party legitly. I don't play as much as I use to 5 years ago, but back in the "prime" of SRO, I lvled up in 1 day at lvl 70, but that wasn't grinding for 3 hours straight, that was grinding for 18 hours straight. Granted I only did that once since it was a boring day during my christmas break, but still. I know how fast grinding in a party can be, but not when it's "3 hours a day".

I don't mind players that play this game hardcore legit. I don't care much if ppl bot either. I see it as ppl can play how they want. The game has gone to shit anyways. What I don't like is when ppl like Roof posts these ridiculous numbers and gives some poor new player hope that it will all turn out ok. I'd rather just tell a newbie to SRO the truth, so he doesn't waste hours of his life grinding and getting nothing in the end.

Then again, I only log on to pvp now-a-days and do a few runs through the new temple so whatever.

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 Post subject: Re: Just a little curious...
PostPosted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 3:45 pm 
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I don't mind players that play this game hardcore legit. I don't care much if ppl bot either. I see it as ppl can play how they want. The game has gone to shit anyways. What I don't like is when ppl like Roof posts these ridiculous numbers and gives some poor new player hope that it will all turn out ok. I'd rather just tell a newbie to SRO the truth, so he doesn't waste hours of his life grinding and getting nothing in the end.


This, I can agree with. The closer I get to cap the more I hear there's really not much if any endgame content. It'd be great if people who capped got more quests to do for something like reputation, or a really long quest to do for a specific set of armor, something you could customize like the avatar suit.

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 Post subject: Re: Just a little curious...
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the rates are indeed lower on csro then on isro
BUT , there is a BUt
the xp required on csro 89-90 is 10 % less then the one on isro , so the xp isn't rly that much lower
and @Dutchy. i rly 100 % agree with you
they are used to play with bots , so they don't know how legit party's go on these days

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I don't even feel like joining this whole discussion about Azteca and all, but I just can't sit back and read, lol.

So yeah, I'm just going to go ahead and say that YES, people got to 90 in two months - legit partying.
You do have to take in account, though, that all the sun weapons helped a LOT! Imagine an entire party with suns!

I didn't get to 90 myself, but my guildmates did. Sure, some played less than 3 hours, some played more. But in the end, a lot of people ended up level 90 after the 2 months.

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jangan cave quests, forgotten world quests. someone want to throw those in?

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Do i have to clarify every word ?

The "exp" rates required to leveling up in Csro are a lot less than the "exp" rates in Isro that are needed to level up .


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'Exp requirement' is the word..... 'Exp Rate' is the speed of exp gain.

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 Post subject: Re: Just a little curious...
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Do i have to clarify every word ?

The "exp" rates required to leveling up in Csro are a lot less than the "exp" rates in Isro that are needed to level up .


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'Exp requirement' is the word..... 'Exp Rate' is the speed of exp gain.

Whatever .


Quite sure he knew what i meant from the first post :D


Still do i have to clarify every word :wink:

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Whatever .


Quite sure he knew what i meant from the first post :D


Well, probably yes. :sohappy:
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The rates are indeed lower on csro than on isro.

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also add the new hotan quests, when we were 5x on azteca , they give now a lot of exp !
and with a 0 gap u can easy do 1 lv or more per day till lv 70 (2-3hour pt). At first day we rushed from lv 1-23. After Second day we were then around the the lv 28-31. All lvls with normal Pt , NO PLVL.

ALL without premium.
So u can say after 2days of 2 month we were lv 30, so after 1 week lv 40, after 1 month we were lv 60 (0 gap only)

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This thread produced great lols as soon as the Azteca fan boys started in with the "oh bots aren't more efficient, look at us on Azteca, we're super legits."

Reminiscent of the old Avalon days. I'm pretty sure they talk in union and say something like, "someone on SRF is doubting us guys, quick get on and post about how legit we are."

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inb4 op is from joymax.

Reasons why bots are 'popular'

-70cap GMs didn't care and this was the most important time to set an example then it became a domino effect throughout the other caps
-Everybody is doing it!
-Insane exp needed/shitty exp rate
-Insane sp amounts required
-Lazyness
-Costs Joymax less money to have 0 staff to prevent such a thing to happen
-Costs Joymax little to nothing to implement their own kind of 'anti cheat' program.
-Farms gold
-People buy gold


A business is a business. Though this business is ran by morons with a moronic community. If the users QQ'd enough about bots and stopped playing then Joymax would have no choice to say we'll ban bots and make changes to the game. I wonder what game had that happen recently.. What was that game.. I do recall that they sold a million pre-order copies and suddenly flopped 4 months later. Oh I know! Aion.

Aion is a prime example of a game ran by morons, but the community did not bend over and accept it. Game was a grind game, bots ran rampant, and RMT was everywhere. People quit. Long story short the management started to realize "Oh shit we fcked up!" and quickly ran to put shit together in hopes of return of the community. Did it happen? No. It was too late. Though the difference between the two is where that community is from. Aion was mostly from the United States at least for what I'm talking about. It's successful in Korea and somewhat in Europe. Silkroad mainly consists of people from the middle east and south america. With a hint of everyone else.

What's funny with Aion is though lineage 1/2 was ran by NCSoft which also has a lot of bots in the game I hear. I suppose they thought the game could be successful without management.

At least with Silkroad the money is still flowing. Why not milk it before you release your new game? If they don't hire a real staff for Silkroad 2 then I don't see it becoming a success once again.

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First of all and most importantly, a large portion of people who buy premium every month, bot. Do you really think Joymax will ban someone who gives them money every month? Not likely, unless other players complain about it and pressure them into doing it.


This entire paragraph is moot when you have other games that ban paying customers and are still successful. I would start off with saying Microsoft with their Live service, but that's not a MMORPG. Concept still stands, but I'll use World of Warcraft. Everyone is a paying customer. Why ban someone that gave them money? Because it's an obstruction to the legit players. How? Gee I don't know the sell gold, take up a slot in the server, and cause inflation at a faster rate. It harms no one directly though, but it ruins the game. Blizzard bans them, because it's in the way of attracting users that see a real staff running the game. inb4 blizzard is a multimillion dollar company. A staff of 10 can run around every server going through list of reports to see if a person is doing illegal actions. It's not hard.

tl;dr Bots are ruining esports.

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I know how long and how fast it is to grind in a party legitly. I don't play as much as I use to 5 years ago, but back in the "prime" of SRO, I lvled up in 1 day at lvl 70, but that wasn't grinding for 3 hours straight, that was grinding for 18 hours straight. Granted I only did that once since it was a boring day during my christmas break, but still. I know how fast grinding in a party can be, but not when it's "3 hours a day".

I don't mind players that play this game hardcore legit. I don't care much if ppl bot either. I see it as ppl can play how they want. The game has gone to shit anyways. What I don't like is when ppl like Roof posts these ridiculous numbers and gives some poor new player hope that it will all turn out ok. I'd rather just tell a newbie to SRO the truth, so he doesn't waste hours of his life grinding and getting nothing in the end.

Then again, I only log on to pvp now-a-days and do a few runs through the new temple so whatever.


Regardless of what you think, i was in vent with the people(Core avalon group) that got to 90 in those 2 months everyday and they only grinded 3 hours a day. You had corrupt and Asy who played longer but you had Fly and Nightbloom who the second their prem ended they logged off.

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the reasons i hate bots:
1. they lvl up to a high lvl with no idea about the game at all... just yesterday i was playing cleric when i asked a bard for mana he gave me mana switch -.-
2.they fill up the servers with characters they dont even play
3. they ruin legits gameplays in many many ways, game economy... level balance in the game, bot plvls ksing, no community, random pking "for the lulz" and mainly IDIOCY.
4.they usually fail in partys either afk barding or afk warriors...
5. as far as warriors go, 2h warriors knocking down mobs in a party and not using lures or taunts and not knowing what "tanking" means -.-
6. wizards having no situational skills, charged wind spamming or not using life control are usual issues
7. knocking down in party playing... do i need to explain for the millionth time why this is BAD?
8. arrogance towards other players is usually from bots... legits respect the hard work they and others put into the game where as bots have no respect for anyone.

meh my list can go on and on and on.



/noobon why is that so bad? /nooboff just kidding, you described it perfectly :) this list is exactly what i think :D

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i wish we could ban the word 'bot' and anything to do with it. This forum would not be a witch hunt and everybody can enjoy talking about the game.


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i wish we could ban the word 'bot' and anything to do with it. This forum would not be a witch hunt and everybody can enjoy talking about the game.


thats is just about as retarded as ur avatar. Discussing about bots is what keeps us going lmao <3

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