TheGentlemen is no more

Guinness · **Joined:** Mar 2006 **Posts:** 10 **Location:** Canada

Well, I was the 1st to join the guild and the 1st to leave.

Your demeanor and tone in-game bothered me – I scanned thru your posts here to check it wasn’t me rubbing you the wrong way and it clearly wasn’t, since everyone except the most subservient seems to annoy you somehow

I wish you well and hope you succeed in addressing whatever personal demons may plague you, and since playing games all day is an escape and not a solution, you leaving SRO is not necessarily a bad thing.

You’re welcome to critique my post and comment accordingly – I won’t respond.

Kard is a nice fellow, and someone else who’s name begins with “A”. Sorry can’t remember the rest

Meth0d · **Joined:** Feb 2006 **Posts:** 172 **Location:**

Guinness wrote:

Kard is a nice fellow, and someone else who’s name begins with “A”. Sorry can’t remember the rest

Indeed he is and the "A" person would have been either Angelique or Athene my old character.

OneManArmy1 · **Joined:** Mar 2006 **Posts:** 546 **Location:**

So are you going to take over TheGentemen, Meth0d?

Caution · **Joined:** Feb 2006 **Posts:** 215 **Location:**

I would like to know as well because I'd like to help keep this guild up and to not lose its reputation. Hopefully, Marcato will settle with everyone and come back.

Meth0d · **Joined:** Feb 2006 **Posts:** 172 **Location:**

OneManArmy1 wrote:

So are you going to take over TheGentemen, Meth0d?

Thats up to Marcato

Caution · **Joined:** Feb 2006 **Posts:** 215 **Location:**

Oh, good point. That one got past me.

Meth0d · **Joined:** Feb 2006 **Posts:** 172 **Location:**

I PM'd, now we wait to see the outcome.

Caution · **Joined:** Feb 2006 **Posts:** 215 **Location:**

He's offline now though. Let's hope he didn't just say **** it and quit. Is the name still tooken or is it officially disbanded or yeah?

RedTyga · **Joined:** Mar 2006 **Posts:** 192 **Location:**

It's officially disbanded.

OneManArmy1 · **Joined:** Mar 2006 **Posts:** 546 **Location:**

Yeah, it's disbanded, but Marcato said he will transfer leadership over to someone if we want to keep it alive.

So I hope this works out.

Caution · **Joined:** Feb 2006 **Posts:** 215 **Location:**

Okay let me get this straight, (sorry for being unexperienced with the guild system). He can still give leadership even when there is no more guild?

RedTyga · **Joined:** Mar 2006 **Posts:** 192 **Location:**

I dunno, I don't think so since there is no guild. Consent would be the best term I would use for it, consent to use the name he created for the guild and for Meth0d to be the leader of it.

Unless of course I'm missing something.

Ryoko · **Joined:** Dec 2005 **Posts:** 6390 **Location:**

RedTyga wrote:

It's officially disbanded.

Hey...shit happens.

XLaw was a level 4 super power - and they disbanded. Everyone was fighting and it fell apart. It happens sometimes.

tingboy · **Joined:** Mar 2006 **Posts:** 236 **Location:**

SD_Ryoko wrote:

RedTyga wrote:

It's officially disbanded.

Hey...shit happens.

XLaw was a level 4 super power - and they disbanded. Everyone was fighting and it fell apart. It happens sometimes.

+1

RedTyga · **Joined:** Mar 2006 **Posts:** 192 **Location:**

SD_Ryoko wrote:

RedTyga wrote:

It's officially disbanded.

Hey...shit happens.

XLaw was a level 4 super power - and they disbanded. Everyone was fighting and it fell apart. It happens sometimes.

Yeah, but it's sad that the shit that was happening was unnecessary.

Marcato · **Joined:** Feb 2006 **Posts:** 661

RedTyga wrote:

He's talking about your temper, something I hav encountered both in game and on the board. And you did say something about how leaders deal with their problems. I told you about your anger, your temper, how you react to people and you responded with how the hell do you think a leader is supposed to act. I further more commented about your anger and how you deal with people who don't understand the rules and you responded with your rhetorical question should I act like nothing is happening then, they aren't following the rules? Clearly you are not understanding me, and your inability to realise that people misunderstand you causes you to go off.

I haven't said a word about "how leaders deal with their problems", not that I know of. And before yesterday, there were no problems - none that I were aware of. Because people don't talk (except behind my back, apparently).

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And in the trade thread I said you didn't have to go off like that, I said you could have just explained what GMT was.

First of all, that link you gave said nothing of what GMT was, I looked, I read every word of your post before I posted my response, and you nor that site said "GMT is Greenwich Mean Time. The time at Greenwich, England, which is used as the basis for standard time throughout the world." Second of all, I gave my response in military time, but I included at the end of that Los Angeles time, because I didn't know what GMT was and from the link you gave and you explaining military time, I thought GMT had to do with military time. So did the other poster that gave their time. And what was your response? You overreacted, called the trade off because we "couldn't read or follow directions". Now let me ask you this: If people are posting in military time, but are adding the city that is closest to where they live from the link you gave, what does that tell you about them knowing what GMT is? It might be that they don't know what it is, yet you say that site explains what it is, please, point it out where it defines GMT.

Again, your fault is not being able to realize that some people might not understand something in your posts and your natural reaction to it is to go off on people and accuse them of not reading what you say or following what you say instead of what most other people would do, which is to explain what the thing people aren't getting is.

On the site (worldtimezones), you can read all about GMT and other tiem zone abbrevations under "Abbrevations" at the top. They also explain the concept of military or 24-hour time. That's why I linked to that page.

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Yeah, because I thought it would change, I didn't think a leader could be that bad all the time. I was wrong, and with that last thread, I voiced my thoughts. And I don't think it could have been handled differently, because as I said in that thread, you aren't open to different opinions, and again, as I told you about your anger, you seemed to equate anger and frustration with leading.

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You negative demeanor is this, overreacting, being in a fowl mood, complaining and bitching about something. And when did you want to discuss monkeys? When Devotia tried to defend herself (or himself, not exactly sure) for having a monkey, your response was to belittle her, saying boohoo, all well, you shouldn't drop steal, and that was your whole arguement about monkeys; it's botting and it's drop stealing, both are against the rules. How the hell is that discussing the situation about monkeys? That's you giving your opinion and telling people there is no discussion about it.

What I was going to do (but by the time I was gonna start a new thread, early this morning, people had alredy left the guild) was to say that it's alright if you have a monkey with another character, that isn't a member of the guild. That way everyone could keep their monkeys and let them pick up whatever they wanted, without dragging the name of our guild in the mud. How's that for "not being open"? The discussion you are talking about took place under General Discussions, not in the guild forum. Therefore, it was not a guild discussion. It was me stating my opinion as a Silkroad-player. Nothing else.

And again - please note that although I thought they were clearly breaking the rules (especially by bragging on the forum about all the items their monkeys had picked up) I did not kick or force anyone out of the guild for having a monkey. I didn't even tell anyone to set their monkey to only pick up their own drops. But I guess that's just me being an asshole too...

But since half the members had already left, there wasn't any point in trying to solve the issue, so I just kicked everyone from the guild instead.

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Oh, so picking up gold is OK? Yeah, this is an example of poor leadership and not explaining what you mean. The rule said no dropstealing, that's it. Well WTF does that mean? Can't steal hover over someone's drops waiting the timer to go off? Is it OK to pick up stuff that's in the middle of no where, where no other player is around? All drops? Only gold? Only gear?

I even explained that in the last thread, I told you not to get pissed for not explaining a subjective rule and even more, a rule that's not even clearly defined.

Yes, that is my fault. When I added the part about thieves being allowed I rewrote the rule, but I forgot to write "items", and instead wrote "drops". To me they are the same, it never crossed my mind that it was unclear. But again, not a single person has ever asked me anything about the rules. I have asked every single member if they have read the rules and if they will abide by them - and every has said "yes".

Apparently that "yes" is only valid until Joymax adds another cool toy to the game...

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Yeah, I gave that response, but you know why I said it? If you read it, which I'm doubting you are sense you keep on bringing up points that I have addressed in that thread, I said I didn't like your temper. That was why. I didn't care for you how lead, and so, when you wanted to disband, I didn't care what you did. But honestly, I thought Kard would have made an exellent leader, so if Kard is willing, I'd suggest he should take the full leadership role.

Yeah, you saifd that yesterday. Why not say anything before that? I'm not used to having to sugarcoat everything I say so I won't hurt someone's feelings. People are too f-ing sensitive today, and that's a big problem. If someone is acting like an asshole, say so. Don't be quiet, and especially don't sugarcoat it. People who aren't straightforward and up front and are afraid of conflicts annoy the hell out of me.

I would have no problems with Kard taking over the guild if it hadn't been that he just quit without saying anything. That really, really disappointed me, so I don't feel comfortable with him taking over as guild leader.

OneManArmy1 · **Joined:** Mar 2006 **Posts:** 546 **Location:**

Hmmm, so what about Meth0d? (Angelique20, right?)

RedTyga · **Joined:** Mar 2006 **Posts:** 192 **Location:**

Marcato wrote:

On the site (worldtimezones), you can read all about GMT and other tiem zone abbrevations under "Abbrevations" at the top. They also explain the concept of military or 24-hour time. That's why I linked to that page.

Then you should have linked to where it explained GMT and the map, would have made things more clear, or at least point out that you can click on abbrevations for information on what GMT is.

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What I was going to do (but by the time I was gonna start a new thread, early this morning, people had alredy left the guild) was to say that it's alright if you have a monkey with another character, that isn't a member of the guild. That way everyone could keep their monkeys and let them pick up whatever they wanted, without dragging the name of our guild in the mud. How's that for "not being open"?

Not very open at all. Again, it's your way or the highway, there is no discussion. I don't want to have to have a seperate character in order to have a monkey, I want to have a monkey with the character I'm currently playing as.

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The discussion you are talking about took place under General Discussions, not in the guild forum. Therefore, it was not a guild discussion. It was me stating my opinion as a Silkroad-player. Nothing else.

No it didn't, it was the last thread in the GM board. Devotia gave a response beause she felt you were hinting as her being one the rule-breaking people for having a monkey and you belittled her and her response. That's what prompted me to post in that thread to begin with.

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And again - please note that although I thought they were clearly breaking the rules (especially by bragging on the forum about all the items their monkeys had picked up) I did not kick or force anyone out of the guild for having a monkey. I didn't even tell anyone to set their monkey to only pick up their own drops. But I guess that's just me being an asshole too...

No, it wasn't you being an asshole, it was you not really noticing that people didn't seem to know what drop stealing was, and it was a bad decision to not tell people to pick up their own drops with their monkeys, because if they picked up other people's stuff, in your view, that's dropstealing.

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Yes, that is my fault. When I added the part about thieves being allowed I rewrote the rule, but I forgot to write "items", and instead wrote "drops". To me they are the same, it never crossed my mind that it was unclear. But again, not a single person has ever asked me anything about the rules. I have asked every single member if they have read the rules and if they will abide by them - and every has said "yes".

That's because when you aren't specific, people just assume what they think is alright. That's what happened with the GMT thing and that's what happened with the dropstealing. You weren't specific so people assumed your view of dropstealing was their view of dropstealing.

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Apparently that "yes" is only valid until Joymax adds another cool toy to the game...

If they thought that cool toy was still within the rules, yeah.

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Yeah, you saifd that yesterday. Why not say anything before that? I'm not used to having to sugarcoat everything I say so I won't hurt someone's feelings. People are too f-ing sensitive today, and that's a big problem. If someone is acting like an asshole, say so. Don't be quiet, and especially don't sugarcoat it. People who aren't straightforward and up front and are afraid of conflicts annoy the hell out of me.

I'm not asking you to sugarcoat anything, I don't like to sugarcoat anything, again, you misunderstand me. Your problem is you overreact. You overreact, assume things about people (i.e. they don't follow the rules or read everything), insult them or belittle them, and that's what hurts people, that's what get's on their nerves. That's what got on my nerves. Again, I didn't think you were like that all the time, I thought you were having a bad day or something, but now because of all the posts I've seen from you, I realised that's just how you are, so yesterday I responded when you went off again on Devotia.

Meth0d · **Joined:** Feb 2006 **Posts:** 172 **Location:**

OneManArmy1 wrote:

Hmmm, so what about Meth0d? (Angelique20, right?)

I am Natalia 20 and am a proud member of the Blackhand Athens.

Caution · **Joined:** Feb 2006 **Posts:** 215 **Location:**

Same here. Never, aka Rage, opened BlackHand on Athens. Congrats to us all.

Devotia · **Joined:** Jan 2006 **Posts:** 822 **Location:**

I've said all I have a mind to on this subject except for one thing.

I am not, nor have I ever been, meth0d. Please stop confusing us. ;p (Never got why people keep doing it..neither of our names are similar in the least lol)

OneManArmy1 · **Joined:** Mar 2006 **Posts:** 546 **Location:**

Meth0d wrote:

OneManArmy1 wrote:

Hmmm, so what about Meth0d? (Angelique20, right?)

I am Natalia 20 and am a proud member of the Blackhand Athens.

Sorry - I'm bad with names.

Ryoko · **Joined:** Dec 2005 **Posts:** 6390 **Location:**

Marcato wrote:

What I was going to do (but by the time I was gonna start a new thread, early this morning, people had alredy left the guild) was to say that it's alright if you have a monkey with another character, that isn't a member of the guild. That way everyone could keep their monkeys and let them pick up whatever they wanted, without dragging the name of our guild in the mud.

Am I....reading this right? You don't like monkeys so other people in the guild couldnt have them?

Are you joking?

I paid hard earned money for my monkey - its my Joymax and god given right to have one!

Who is ANYONE to say I can't have a monkey?

Caution · **Joined:** Feb 2006 **Posts:** 215 **Location:**

I am ANYONE who says you can't.

OMG JUST KIDDING DON'T HURT ME!

Anyways, I think it's okay to have monkeys. It's the other persons fault for not picking up their loot. I understand that this guild is nice but that is in too far.

Marcato · **Joined:** Feb 2006 **Posts:** 661

SD_Ryoko wrote:

Am I....reading this right? You don't like monkeys so other people in the guild couldnt have them?

Are you joking?

I paid hard earned money for my monkey - its my Joymax and god given right to have one!

Who is ANYONE to say I can't have a monkey?

"Am I....reading this right? You don't like bots so other people in the guild couldnt have them?

Are you joking?"

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"Am I....reading this right? You don't like killstealers so other people in the guild can't killsteal?

Are you joking?"

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"Am I....reading this right? You don't like thieves leading their NPC thieves to attack 1-star traders so other people in the guild can't do that?

Are you joking?"

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Have you heard about guild rules? The rules that people accept when they join a guild? I never said they couldn't have monkeys, but if they are gonna let their monkeys pick up other people's stuff, I don't want them to use the monkey with a character that was a member.

If Joymax came out with an official Silkroad bot, would you defend that too? Rules and ethics have nothing to do with what the game allows or not. Would I steal IRL if it was allowed? No, because I feel that it is wrong, no matter what the law says. The game allows killstealing without penalty. The game allows thieves to spawn NPC thieves on 1-star traders without penalty. The game allows a lot that all good guilds forbid.

Rage · **Joined:** Feb 2006 **Posts:** 43 **Location:**

marcato,you go back to the same thing, comparing ILLEGAL activits (botting) to legal (monkey) its in no way the same thing...

Ryoko · **Joined:** Dec 2005 **Posts:** 6390 **Location:**

Monkey is the coolest thing this game ever added - and almost everyone wants one.

Theres a huge difference between A) being an asshole and KS people B) cheating with third party programs C) exploiting the poor AI of the NPC system D) intentionally tormenting people

Compared to:

D) Legitamately buying something like a monkey from the item mall which the game offers.

I :love:

my monkey. Poptart is adorable !!!

Caution · **Joined:** Feb 2006 **Posts:** 215 **Location:**

I

my monkey too. To bad I don't have one.

Kard · **Joined:** Feb 2006 **Posts:** 600 **Location:**

I was saying that OneManArmy1 should take the reigns of the guild. I didn't say I wanted to.

I know who I am and know which role I play better in. I'm a better support than an actual leader. A better 2nd in command than the topman. So no, I don't want to be the leader of the guild. Didn't even said I wanted to be a guild leader at all.

SuicideGrl · **Posted:** Wed Mar 22, 2006 9:07 am

ok, i for one don't like it when people air their dirty laundry publicly. the only reason this thread hasn't been locked already is because ryoko is active in it. so i'll take a vote. anyone voting for lockage, lemme know. i'll check tomorrow.

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