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I've come across an interesting question with my friends and I'd like to discuss with the more intellectual people on this forum (no flame plz ). We've decided that the main goal of life, apart from reproducing, is world domination. There needs to be one hegemon of Earth to lead. It is a bit far fetched, but if you think about it, you will eventually come across it too. There are a few questions that influenced us in our conclusion:

- What do you want in life?
- When will you be satisfied?
- When you die, how will the world have changed without you?
- What did you do that was beneficial to the human race?

If there is a person that rules earth then whatever race they are ( by skin,religion,language,country)they will think that they are better than everyone else. This would then bring up a Hitler effect which proves your theory of world domination the point of life.

( if i read your topic right that is)

Well, I know there's many different types of people in this world that differ by skin, religion, language, country, morales, and etc. , but all intellectual people will think on the same level and realize that such factors do not matter. It is an ultimate goal that should be worked towards by everyone, but not necessarily in the same way. Like Hitler for example, lead by hatred. Can world domination be achieved through compromise and understanding? Sure, there are people that would appose the idea due to skin, religion, etc. , but I think the majority will see the bigger picture.

Another thing, I'm an Atheist and I think religion is probably a key factor in holding this idea back. People will believe that god put them there for a purpose and that he will ultimately guide them and give them signs towards meaning in life. Religion in my opinion, holds us back. We are born, we live, and then we die, it's fairly simple. People should dig for a deeper understanding. To me, god is an excuse, a way to procrastinate and block out the truth.

Read Bonobo: http://www.bonobo.org/whatisabonobo.html

Summary: Wars will stop if you remove aggressive males from society and have matriarchal rule. This can lead to "world peace". Personally; being an aggressive male, I disagree and believe that as long as people are not equal one rule is impossible. Since true equality is impossible one ruler to rule them all is ruled out.

Watch Enemy at the gate: http://www.surfthechannel.com/info/Movi ... Gates.html

There is a great book on Equality.

Nature = Chaos, Invisible Hand, Competition. Survival of the fittest.

Even if you remove all natural predators you will still have those like you *(Plural). Ambitious people who want total domination.

Term to remember: Alpha male.
We are primates.

Several people wanting Domination with many more sheeple willing to follow them. The I was just following orders set. Basically because of the nature of Man it is impossible. We may be primates but we're not bonobos.

Aggression is a natural feeling and it is a flaw of being human. I do agree with what you said about equality. Nature though on the other hand, has pretty much been eliminated from our modern world. As we humans have made advancements in technology, competition is eliminated and we are working to feed and care for everyone. Isn't this the first sign of tolerance for the weak and unfortunate?

Yes, there are ambitious people out there, but maybe they are the ones meant to lead. A hegemon does not have to be classified as a good person with the right morales. Evil brings us closer to perfection in some ways.

I agree with everything except that. You can never truly eliminate competition. Once you remove competition there is no real drive to do anything.

Term: USSR



Term: Communism. Refer to USSR.

*Edit, we are a work of nature. It cannot and won't be Eliminated.

Comunnism does not work. it's been tried before and it is clear that it fails. The only real system that will bring world peace is when religion is eliminated. Most wars are fought on religion. If people could just accept the fact hat people belive in different things and stop trying to shove each others religions * cough missionaries cough*down each others throats then the world would be at a state where a muslim can shake a chrstians hand and not be shunned by there people.

( DON'T turn this into a religion discussion its just my thoughts ok?)

This isn't about religion. This is about competition and the creation of a Utopian Society (i.e.) Communism. It is based on Competition that eventually culminates in World Peace, either via War or through peaceful methods; such as, diplomacy.

Hmm..that brings us to those sci-fi films. Like when those space aliens invade Earth for no reason, except the sole purpose of domination. I think that's because they've eliminated competition as well, and they're looking for something that is more advanced to compete against. If Earth even reaches a basic stage of one philosopher ruling, then I think we would start trying to conquer other planets in search for a reason to live.

Another thing, I'm an Atheist and I think religion is probably a key factor in holding this idea back. People will believe that god put them there for a purpose and that he will ultimately guide them and give them signs towards meaning in life. Religion in my opinion, holds us back. We are born, we live, and then we die, it's fairly simple. People should dig for a deeper understanding. To me, god is an excuse, a way to procrastinate and block out the truth.
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I've stated that in a previous post, and yes, religion is a factor that stops us.

Because we are humans and because it is impossible to satisfy us all. There will always be those who want more than is provided.

"Why can't I have power, Why can't I rule." or "He does less work than I why is he my equal" or "I am more fit, I am stronger, there is no equal to I"

Which brings us to Squirts point:


For it to work the majority of Society would have to become mindless drones and in order to force equality, those at and above average must be brought to the bare minimum. Meaning a society full of sheeple. There was a book about this but I can't remember the name.

Yeah, but there are many different types of people in the world. There are leaders and followers. If you share your philosophical views, the people that see your point will follow. We have seen the mistakes before, but I think the only way to succeed in a dictatorship is to try again. The human race learns from its mistakes and if at first we didn't succeed, we will try again. There will be arrogant people and greedy people, but the ones who share your views should be trustworthy. Even if you did get assassinated by a greedy fellow who wanted domination for himself in achieving the same goal, your philosophy is carried on. Eventually, your idea will come to pass as long as people understand the message. Even if it is not you who accomplished it, dying and knowing that a deeper world is being spun, I would be content with dying for that.

^ In a world run by money do you think people will even take the time to think about your point?

Oh, I'm sure many people have thought about this. It starts out as wondering about what your life will amount to and seeing what you really want. Like Hitler, many people have tried to pursue this goal, and in some way, his views must've been similar to mine.

As for money, I'm 15 and idc for it at all. So maybe I will be forced into a world run by money, but right now, my views are probably more pure than they will be in the future.

Civil wars happen. They happen because a loyal follower wants power but doesn't receive it. One small dispute could spell disaster for an Empire. Sometimes the next generation isn't fit to rule and that leads to collapse.

Hitler was doing what he thought was best for the German people.

Well, I wouldn't call it an Empire exactly. If the views of the Hegemon were incorporated into a learning system, the hegemon could pick out the next ruler. A system of families ruling would obviously lead to collapse, but maybe choosing by worth and values could function.

Hmm, that's something that will probably never be eliminated. Humans want power, but the only way to stop corruption is to be content and realize that it isn't about power, it's about exploration and defining life. Obviously, this won't come in my lifetime, but that doesn't mean it's implausible.

A learning system means competition. Say a leader comes down to two choices, two great choices. One choice is an aggresive, the Other is passive but an intellectual. The leader picks the intellectual one. The other choice obviously frustrated will have those who agree with his view rally behind him. Next step will be civil war, others who think like him will do the same. The war will be put down by Imperial troops. This won't look good in the publics' eyes and won't bode well for the Newly appointed philosopher-dictator. They will think, "Oh what a cruel act". Imprisonment isn't an option. When released the aggressive choice will make big movements again, the only option is execution. Now the child of the Executed is angry, hateful. He works hard and eventually becomes a nominee. Once again, they choose the passive intellectual over the Aggressive tactician. The seeds of war are sown in our very own genes. It cannot be overcome, everything must come to an end.

Think: Star Wars. Revolutionary War.

world domintation.....

The goal in life is indeed world domintation...

Everyone wants power...

People who do not wish for power hope deep inside that they will get it because of their unselfish lifestyle...

Hmm..well, as the leader, he can't both aggresive and passive. He would obviously choose the one that resembles himself the most, and keep tabs on the other one to prevent a conspiracy. It's true that chaos will intervene eventually, but the ideas won't be lost, even if they were, they will emerge again in time. If we are at a struggle for power, won't it eventually end as well? Or will we always be as primitive and arrogant as our fathers?

^ But if you cant get power the *right* way you do the next best thing, you force your beliefs into everyone around you. this then creates a dictator.

Every race wants power even the wolves. the *wolf leader* commands his tribe and he * fights* for his honor.

its almost as if *domination* was incoded into every biological being during evolution.

Domination. I read competition.



A big brother is watching you system? The struggle for power can be paused but it won't truly end.

Leaders typically choose two people who are polar opposites and from those two pick the one most like himself or herself.

Yes, but so was tolerance. Once you realize the bad sides of yourself, you tend to hide them and lock them away, only exposing the things that you think are beneficial for yourself and the society. Tolerance and self-realization will mold us into a better and more efficient society through each generation.

Well then, I hope it's a very long pause >:D

How long the pause last depends entirely on what the previous Generation leaves the following one.

Yeah, and I think with each mistake that we've made with families ruling, democracies, and etc. , we will get better and better at developing an efficient system.

But not everybody is compatible with every else so then after each generation there will be different groups that agree on different ideas and this will create different societies.

And where ever there are different societies there is bound to be dis-agreements don't you think? I understand what you are trying to say but agreeing to what your saying your also going to have to agree that not 100% of the people on earth will agree with this idea.

Yes that's true, but I think the ultimate realization will always be world domination. The societies underneath that understanding are either blinded, arrogant, or have not thought it through it. As more or and more people come to realize this ultimate goal, religion and exterior factors such as race will be eliminated. It is a process of thinking and eventually, people will come to the same conclusion. We are all human after all, right?

If people come to the same conclusion; the first question will be, who will lead? There comes the factions. In the end it will factions led by Ideologies VS other factions led by different Ideologies.

This also spells the end of: Free thought.
Play/Read: Alpha Centauri

basically to every possible factor there is an equal postive and negative effect on society.

Hmm, what else would you need to think about? You can wonder what's out there in space and you've still got imagination...

The factions will eventually fight, hopefully with words, and end it and a leader will be chosen. It's not like they'll be in a conflict forever. I'm just wondering, if this is a plausible idea for our society. I mean, eventually it will have to happen, and a hegemon will emerge, I'm just confused now about how far away in time will it be...