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That went completely over your head. You obviously haven't lived enough to come close to understanding the shit you are regurgitating. Like most of your arguments, you make yourself look like a high school kid that thinks he knows everything, but hasn't got a clue what the hell it is. I'd be willing to bet there are carbon copies of you all over the teen liberal atheist forums, saying the exact same stuff word for word.

I can at least respect people like EvGa, Barotix, and such for actually having an original thought.

So you're making the insinuation I looked up my thoughts or something like that?
The thoughts I make are purely logical, as I lived life, questioned, etc. I realized certain logical possibilities and impossibilities. Logic usually is pretty one-sided, so why would I not have similar arguments to other people?

edit: also there are some things that liberals usually favor that I am heavily against, like the legalization of marijuana (well sort of).

-delete- -delete- Nvm. I got trolled in on this one ><


Can I haz the popcorn now?

These fucking god-related threads. No matter how much people hate them....

lol.

Nahhh
You can haz kettle corn.. much better - so perfect divine intervention will occur upon consumption.

I'm not talking about the process itself with evolution and shit, but about how the system manages to balance everything. How can it be that the earth is the only planet in the whole universe we found life on? How can it be that trillions of species are able to survive on the same planet?

It's just more than laws of nature, there is something divine.

as a result i'm a Muslim! thats where is my knowledge of Islam and science!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eleventh_planet

Quran correctly categorized 11 planets, while science just caught up

http://againstscience.com/2009/08/31/qu ... caught-up/

some scientist the Quran helped them in their studies

Keith L. Moore

Dr. Moore was a former President of the Canadian Association of Anatomists, and of the American Association of Clinical Anatomists. He was honoured by the Canadian Association of Anatomists with the prestigious J.C.B. Grant Award and in 1994 he received the Honoured Member Award of the American Association of Clinical Anatomists "for outstanding contributions to the field of clinical anatomy."

"For the past three years, I have worked with the Embryology Committee of King cAbdulaziz University in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, helping them to interpret the many statements in the Qur'an and Sunnah referring to human reproduction and prenatal development. At first I was astonished by the accuracy of the statements that were recorded in the 7th century AD, before the science of embryology was established. Although I was aware of the glorious history of Muslim scientists in the 10th century AD, and some of their contributions to Medicine, I knew nothing about the religious facts and beliefs contained in the Qur'an and Sunnah."
"...Because the staging of human embryos is complex, owing to the continuous process of change during development, it is proposed that a new system of classification could be developed using the terms mentioned in the Qur'an and Sunnah. The proposed system is simple, comprehensive, and conforms with present embryological knowledge.

"The intensive studies of the Qur'an and Hadith in the last four years have revealed a system of classifying human embryos that is amazing since it was recorded in the seventh century A.D... the descriptions in the Qur'an cannot be based on scientific knowledge in the seventh century..."

E. Marshall Johnson

Author of over 200 publications. Former President of the Teratology Society among other accomplishments. Professor Johnson began to take an interest in the scientific signs in the Qur'an at the 7th Saudi Medical Conference (1982), when a special committee was formed to investigate scientific signs in the Qur'an and Hadith. At first, Professor Johnson refused to accept the existence of such verses in the Qur'an and Hadith. But after a dicussuion with Sheikh Zindani he took an interest and concentrated his research on the internal as well as external development of the fetus.

"...in summary, the Qur'an describes not only the development of external form, but emphasises also the internal stages, the stages inside the embryo, of its creation and development, emphasising major events recognised by contemporary science."

"As a scientist, I can only deal with things which I can specifically see. I can understand embryology and developmental biology. I can understand the words that are translated to me from the Qur'an. As I gave the example before, if I were to transpose myself into that era, knowing what I do today and describing things, I could not describe the things that were described...

I see no evidence to refute the concept that this individual Muhammad had to be developing this information from some place... so I see nothing here in conflict with the concept that divine intervention was involved in what he was able to write..."

i am not trying to prove any thing about Islam! but this is the most religion i have knowledge about! im sure there is catholic and Jew's can come up with similar stuff from the bible! would be great if they posted them!


note quran was written in the 7th century! CE

Or..

I'm sure EvGa, or someone else, can provide reasonable scientific proof.


Plus it is perfectly plausible, so why would it be divine.

How scientific of you. I hope you know that the ecosystem is consist of living organisms that are products of evolution. You completely overlooked what I stated earlier so I'll re-post it for you here:


But anyway..like you said..not talking about "evolution and shit."

Also..

WAIT!!!...We were recently able to check all the planets in the universe?! To suddenly come up with such advance technology! WOW!!!

i just wanted to know.. I DONT KNOW I AM ASKING!! did god mention how exactly did he create the human race in the bible?


i'm talking in general.. read above what i posted.. Darwen theory i cant go vs it NOW!! as your scientific prove is stronger than mine.. even if i dont belive in it! because as i said before


"he made me realise some thing.. if i took 1 of you and put him in a huge base ball stadium.. and its complete darkness!! you cant see nothing.. i gave you a small flash light !! and leave you over there ! first you use your flash light! start walking looking at the floor!! and all you see is grass.. you proved its grass your right !! 100% right.. and you say all i saw is grass therefor this is a park!! the truth is its not.. but your vision and knowledge cant prove it's actually a base ball stadium yet! but it is!! but you proved almost 70% of the land is grass but you didn't reach the point you see the stadium it self!

proff Huston said.. its like dogs looking for math by sniffing!!. its exactly like the flat earth people! long time ago they thought they where right! and earth is flat! its impossible its not. they observed it! earth seems flat!."

but how come the bible or quran or any other sacred book mentioned facts long time ago and we just found out or discovered lately ?

@Za:
I love how they actually expect people's credentials to serve as good enough proof to claim that their (mis)interpretation of those fabulously riddle-packed "sacred" texts are facts.

It's all open to interpretation. Even if it was not (just to humor you), it still does not directly relate to the existence of a "higher celestial being." It's argument based on fallacy. You also have to remember that people actually wrote these texts. Giving credit to a god figure does not make it "god's" writing.

There is nothing scientific about sitting there, reading an old riddle book (written by another person), and looking for something that could be interpreted to serve one's interests. It does not infer anything from the outside world. It takes sloppy riddles from a book and try to make it fit into something from the outside world. Last time I checked, the way science books work is that researchers take information from the outside world and place it in a book, not the other way around.

But if you wish to comfort yourself with copy-pasted text that's been used thousands of times in every god-related forum thread, go right ahead.

And to answer your question about god, man, and the bible: Yes. In "His own image." But apparently, my girlfriend came from one of my ribs. Kinda hurt when god decided to take it out and magically turn it into my girl but it was completely worth it.

god can suck my dick

He can but I don't think he will.

Considering we've explored an infinitesimally small bit of a fraction of a fraction of a fraction divided by infinity, portion of the universe, your claims mean nothing.

I'm not going to make the ignorant claim that there IS life elsewhere in the universe. We simply don't know. But if you run the numbers, it is hard to imagine we are the only ones.

There are 30 to 70 sextillion planets in our universe. (lower limit estimates). 70,000 million million million. Yeah. There is probably life elsewhere. That is an incomprehensibly large number.

We've only found about 2million species on our planet, and they can ALL be accounted for through the process of evolution. Only about 2% of all the species that have ever lived are still alive today. Think about it.

(I had to pull most of these numbers off google, I obviously don't have them memorized, I tried to find credible sources)




Where did you go?

SRF is stubborn.

HAHAHAHAH THESE THREADS.

YOU GUYS ARE SO GULLIBLE.

The only devine being I believe in is Mother Nature herself.

Why believe in one god btw? There's still people believing in the Greek, Roman and Egyptian gods so why not really?

Hey, we need moar popcorn!~

The bible only says that God created the world. It doesn't say how.
But I think that most people ignored the fact that God could be the author of evolution, chemical reaction, physic laws, nature, etc...?
In fact, God doesn't anyhow contradict science, people just try to be smart-ass, that's all.

If there is a god then tell me:

Where'd the popcorn go?

@inky.. what i meant.. how come a person who couldn't read or write!?!? come up with such scientific information which is 100% exactly true that we just found out lately!! centuries ago!! think about it

@silo TY... all of the religion didn't describe exactly how was human made... and the fact the most of you ignore is either bible or quran or what ever.. is thousands of years ago yet..

@Doron check the toilet you didn't flush


come on go read my posts in this topic and answer it !!

And we have 4 pages already. Yesterday was only 1.

if people keep posting like you did we will have much more

caught you double post

You guys are missing my point, but that's oke. There debate will go on until eternity.

kinda got a point over there.. and until now now one answered my question yet.. just evoloution shitz

What is your specific question?

Heroo, I answered your question. We know how and why there are so many diverse species. We have also found fossilized bacteria on mars. The universe is incomprehensibly large, using the fact that we haven't found life forms else where (which we have), does nothing to help your argument considering how many other planets there are in the universe. Also, how this applies to the topic of God is beyond me.

1-but how come the bible or quran or any other sacred book mentioned facts long time ago and we just found out or discovered lately ?

2-how come a person who couldn't read or write!?!? come up with such scientific information which is 100% exactly true that we just found out lately!! centuries ago!! think about it

these are the main two points! ,look up at my post's to understand more

I was lagging. But now i see only a single post.

There are 8 planets and MORE THAN 3 dwarf planets. Therefore, there are MORE than 11. Quran failed. Being the divine word of God you would think he could dictate down the correct answers. Or maybe the cure for some diseases? Or how disease and sickness even work? (They use to believe demons caused disease and sickness.) Or maybe a heads up that evolution is the process by which all species we see today and who lived in the past came to be. Or hell, how's about giving us the correct age of the Earth? These seem like trivial little things he could have 'revealed' to us.

But that is beside the point. You can take any book written and find meaning to fit your conclusions. You believe in God, you will do whatever mental gymnastics it takes to fit any and everything to your conclusions, that God exists.

Try taking the other approach. Use what is at your disposal to form your conclusions. It doesn't work the other way around.

what about the formation of a embryo , how come it was soo well explained (embryo)