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 Post subject: Re: Zimmerman
PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 8:31 pm 
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So.....it turns out that Zimmerman was not even detained/arrested at the site of the fetal shooting but was instead allowed to go free for three weeks before finally being arrested because the cops chose to believe his account of what happened.... This move made by the police later prompted a forced resignation of the chief of police running this department for not doing their due diligence....

I'm never surprised at the attitudes/behavior of most law enforcement officials....If someone got shot and killed in some less than desirable part of town the shooter is definitely going to jail that night...whether self defense or not....

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 Post subject: Re: Zimmerman
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"I don't agree with what Zimmerman did but according to Florida's laws he was innocent and I agree."


I guess by that logic anyone who has ever did anything wrong and are now free deserves to be killed/shot/beaten in light of their past indiscretions.....All delinquents deserves this whether they are caught in the act or just simply standing on the street.... Think before you say anything...


WTF are you talking about? I don't like "Stand your ground" law in Florida but because it's a law I have to agree that he is innocent? How the **** do I think now free people deserve to be killed? I'm hoping you just quoted the wrong post.

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 Post subject: Re: Zimmerman
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"Everyone's complaining about the Trayvon Martin case !!!!but you'll forget that we still have the OJ Simpson case I know it sounds farked up but we still got one up on these white people!!!!Trayvon Martin die fast!!! Gun shot!!! But oJ Simpson killed two white people with a damn knife!!!! Can't be upset cause oj was found not in 96. So we still got one up on them!!! LMFAO"


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 Post subject: Re: Zimmerman
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Eh, He had a fair trial. What it leads down to is that the prosecution didn't have enough evidence to convince the jury beyond a reasonable doubt Zimmerman committed murder 2 or manslaughter so they [the jury] had to find him not guilty on those counts. If you watched the trial this was soooooo expected to be the result.

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 Post subject: Re: Zimmerman
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Gaigemasta wrote:
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like I said on facebook

"I don't agree with what Zimmerman did but according to Florida's laws he was innocent and I agree."


I guess by that logic anyone who has ever did anything wrong and are now free deserves to be killed/shot/beaten in light of their past indiscretions.....All delinquents deserves this whether they are caught in the act or just simply standing on the street.... Think before you say anything...


WTF are you talking about? I don't like "Stand your ground" law in Florida but because it's a law I have to agree that he is innocent? How the **** do I think now free people deserve to be killed? I'm hoping you just quoted the wrong post.


My bad.. seems I did.... However with respect to your post, Zimmerman's negligence due to his instigation/miss-handling of the situation led to a death which is why he should be charged.... The law isn't always right so it would be very naive of you to hold it as something solid...

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 Post subject: Re: Zimmerman
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Hes obviously not innocent of stalking, profiling and killing the kid. They just found him not guilty because of lack of evidence.

Zimmerman started the confrontation by stalking him in the first place, you could say Martin was acting in self-defense against a stalker/potential threat..
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Zimmerman's side of the story was that he got out of his car and was minding his own business when this black guy sneaked up and started attacking him. This BS defense was already discredited.

Its disgusting that the media try to dig up dirt on this kid, showing fking twitter pics of him flicking off the camera and smoking weed, to make Middle America piss their pants, when every facking teen you look up on FB have retarded pics like those. Oh yeah, and making Travyon out to be a racist because of that "creepy ass cracker" comment, to make themselves feel better about their shitty prejudices

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 Post subject: Re: Zimmerman
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Hes obviously not innocent of stalking, profiling and killing the kid. They just found him not guilty because of lack of evidence.

Zimmerman started the confrontation by stalking him in the first place, you could say Martin was acting in self-defense against a stalker/potential threat..
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Zimmerman's side of the story was that he got out of his car and was minding his own business when this black guy sneaked up and started attacking him. This BS defense was already discredited.

Its disgusting that the media try to dig up dirt on this kid, showing fking twitter pics of him flicking off the camera and smoking weed, to make Middle America piss their pants, when every facking teen you look up on FB have retarded pics like those. Oh yeah, and making Travyon out to be a racist because of that "creepy ass cracker" comment, to make themselves feel better about their shitty prejudices


I don't recall ever hearing him say this, as it was pretty much known from the get go that he had contacted the authorities before he approached Martin.

Also, there were a lot of other racial things brought up that showed Travyon was prejudice.(of course in your world only "the white man" can be prejudice) Either way, doesn't really matter what the media did or didn't do, the jury was sequestered, so they weren't watching that shit.

Another thing I want to point out, there is a big difference between the "stand your ground" laws and going out of your way to start trouble. This case did not have anything to do with those laws. He was the one confronting(Zim), not being confronted.

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 Post subject: Re: Zimmerman
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TheDrop wrote:
Hes obviously not innocent of stalking, profiling and killing the kid.


Actually he was acquitted of all charges. That's what this topic is about.


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 Post subject: Re: Zimmerman
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Ganja wrote:
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Hes obviously not innocent of stalking, profiling and killing the kid.


Actually he was acquitted of all charges. That's what this topic is about.


lol not to mention he's a neighborhood watch, not a police officer, so "stalking" and "profiling" a suspicious person in his gated community isn't really illegal. Given the history of the neighborhood, and his actions, I'd say he was more worried about keeping others safe and not trying to kill an innocent kid.

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 Post subject: Re: Zimmerman
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Also, racism isn't against the law, or being suspicious of someone. Even if it was "stalking" or harassing him that doesn't justify martin attacking him either. Your not allowed to hit someone for name calling or looking at you lol.
If your gonna attack someone you should be prepared to take the risk of getting shot.

I find all these people supporting and rallying for it to be really annoying. Why don't they rally and shit for the actual intentional murders? lol

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 Post subject: Re: Zimmerman
PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 3:55 am 
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Ganja wrote:

Actually he was acquitted of the charge. That's what this topic is about.

Fixed. Only one charge on the trial brah

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After telling the police dispatcher that Martin "ran",[183] Zimmerman left his vehicle to determine his location and ascertain in which direction Martin had fled.[177][184] The dispatcher asked if Zimmerman was following Martin, and Zimmerman replied "Yeah." Then the dispatcher said, "OK, we don't need you to do that." Zimmerman replied with "OK" and stated that Martin got away.[183] After a discussion about where Zimmerman would meet police, the call ended, and Zimmerman told investigators he was returning to his vehicle when Martin approached him from his left rear and confronted him.

So according to Zimmerman, he chased the suspicious guy (after being told not to by the police btw), the guy fled, then he later sneaked up on him and attacked him.

I'd like to see what "a lot of other racial things" showed that Travyon was prejudice, and why is matters to the case. Are you saying Travyon would have been less likely to feel threatened if it was a black person stalking him?

Zimmerman did go out of his way to start trouble..so erm what.
Media's digging up "dirt" on Travyon to influence normal folks [not jury] is what I'm talking about. Its unfortunate that weed, middle finger and a dark complexion makes anyone in Middle America shit their pants.

Profiling and stalking aren't against the law but the stalker has to be held accountable to some degree :palm: . The whole thing happened because Zimmerman thought a black guy in a hoodie walking was suspicious, and started to stalk him even when told not to do so by the police.

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 Post subject: Re: Zimmerman
PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 4:28 am 
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TheDrop wrote:
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Actually he was acquitted of the charge. That's what this topic is about.

Fixed. Only one charge on the trial brah

False.

He was facing both manslaughter and second degree murder charges.


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 Post subject: Re: Zimmerman
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Fiction wrote:
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Hes obviously not innocent of stalking, profiling and killing the kid.


Actually he was acquitted of all charges. That's what this topic is about.


lol not to mention he's a neighborhood watch, not a police officer, so "stalking" and "profiling" a suspicious person in his gated community isn't really illegal. Given the history of the neighborhood, and his actions, I'd say he was more worried about keeping others safe and not trying to kill an innocent kid.


May not be illegal but it is a form of harassment to stalk and profile anyone...and gated community or not the street is public property...As I have said before if you're stalking anybody and you're making them feel uncomfortable they have a right to confront you (if it's in their personality to do so).... Zimmerman set the stage leading up to this wrongful killing...he should be charged with negligence at least...

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 Post subject: Re: Zimmerman
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TheDrop wrote:
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Actually he was acquitted of the charge. That's what this topic is about.

Fixed. Only one charge on the trial brah

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After telling the police dispatcher that Martin "ran",[183] Zimmerman left his vehicle to determine his location and ascertain in which direction Martin had fled.[177][184] The dispatcher asked if Zimmerman was following Martin, and Zimmerman replied "Yeah." Then the dispatcher said, "OK, we don't need you to do that." Zimmerman replied with "OK" and stated that Martin got away.[183] After a discussion about where Zimmerman would meet police, the call ended, and Zimmerman told investigators he was returning to his vehicle when Martin approached him from his left rear and confronted him.

So according to Zimmerman, he chased the suspicious guy (after being told not to by the police btw), the guy fled, then he later sneaked up on him and attacked him.

I'd like to see what "a lot of other racial things" showed that Travyon was prejudice, and why is matters to the case. Are you saying Travyon would have been less likely to feel threatened if it was a black person stalking him?

Zimmerman did go out of his way to start trouble..so erm what.
Media's digging up "dirt" on Travyon to influence normal folks [not jury] is what I'm talking about. Its unfortunate that weed, middle finger and a dark complexion makes anyone in Middle America shit their pants.

Profiling and stalking aren't against the law but the stalker has to be held accountable to some degree :palm: . The whole thing happened because Zimmerman thought a black guy in a hoodie walking was suspicious, and started to stalk him even when told not to do so by the police.

Blaming zimmerman though is simply going to the source of the events that led up to his death. You can't do that when martin made a mistake as well. It wasn't ok for martin to attack zimmerman for what he did.

You just said in your own post as well, he "stalked" him then stopped after the police said not to, but you say he continued.

They are both at fault for the death, but martin made the worse decision and paid a bigger price.

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 Post subject: Re: Zimmerman
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@Budo: It doesn't justify what happened to him but I would be dishonest if I say that I think that he's a "loss" for society. I wouldn't disagree that he is a great loss for his parents or his close peers but to others, the world is a much better place without another juvenile delinquent in it. Who knows, maybe he would've grown out of his idiotic "thug" mindset if he lived a couple more years or maybe not; the thing is, he was just another unnecessary nuisance to humanity and I definitely won't miss having people like him around.

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 Post subject: Re: Zimmerman
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BTW that account is according to Zimmerman
Here is the prosecution's (and one of the witnesses') account
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The affidavit stated that Martin was walking back from a nearby 7-Eleven store to the townhouse where he was temporarily living when Zimmerman profiled Martin, who was unarmed and not committing a crime.[10][31] Prosecutors stated that Zimmerman was driving in his vehicle when he observed Martin and assumed he was a criminal.[10] Feeling that Martin did not belong in the gated community where Zimmerman lived, he called the police to request an officer to respond, because he perceived that Martin was acting suspiciously.[10][31] Investigators said the dispatcher told Zimmerman an officer was on the way and to wait for him.[10][31] In the call, Zimmerman made reference to people he felt had gotten away with break-ins in the neighborhood, and while talking about Martin, stated "these assholes, they always get away" and also said "these Farking punks".[10][31][206]
According to investigators, while Zimmerman was speaking with police, Martin was on the phone with a friend and described to her what was happening. She said that Martin was scared because he was being followed by an unknown male and didn't know why.[10][206] Investigators said that Martin attempted to run home, but Zimmerman followed him, because he didn't want Martin whom he falsely assumed was going to commit a crime, to get away before the police arrived.[10][205] When the police dispatcher realized Zimmerman was pursuing Martin, he instructed Zimmerman not to do that and told him an officer would meet him.[31] Prosecutors stated that Zimmerman ignored the dispatcher's instruction and continued pursuing Martin on foot.[204] Investigators said Zimmerman then confronted Martin and a struggle ensued.[10][31]

In this case, Zimmerman did not go back to his vehicle, kept on following Martin and then confronted him.
Zimmerman was acquitted because there wasn't enough evidence to warrant their account, but that does not mean that Zimmerman's account was vindicated.

If Martin attacked him first, I agree that he has some blame on him as well, but that doesn't take away from the fact that Zimmerman only thought Martin was suspicious because he was profiling, and still disobeyed the dispatcher's order to stay the **** out. Turns out Martin wasn't committing any crime, was unarmed, had nothing on him. Oh well, too bad.

And people still consider him to be a thug. Wonder what would have happened if he was a scrawny kid with a light complexion and glasses. I guess most of SRF, myself included is same in that respect.

"Hes a black kid he would have grown up to be a criminal anyways". Gawd.

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 Post subject: Re: Zimmerman
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@Budo: It doesn't justify what happened to him but I would be dishonest if I say that I think that he's a "loss" for society. I wouldn't disagree that he is a great loss for his parents or his close peers but to others, the world is a much better place without another juvenile delinquent in it. Who knows, maybe he would've grown out of his idiotic "thug" mindset if he lived a couple more years or maybe not; the thing is, he was just another unnecessary nuisance to humanity and I definitely won't miss having people like him around.


If this kid got shot in the head while he was sleeping would you feel the same way?...I understand how you feel that people like these don't really deserve to live since all they do is going around causing trouble...But for a lot of people at that age you can't expect anything better.....and when you really think about it delinquency/trouble making behavior takes on numerous forms and at all levels which makes 99% or world's population guilty one point or another...If this kid was shot and killed while in the act of being delinquent I'd be inclined to agree with your view.....

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 Post subject: Re: Zimmerman
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Wonder what would have happened if he was a scrawny kid with a light complexion and glasses. I guess most of SRF, myself included is same in that respect..

He probably wouldn't of been slamming zimmermans head in the ground and got shot.

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He wouldn't have been seen as "suspicious" and none of this would have happened. Scrawny white kid vs. scrawny black kid

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He wouldn't have been seen as "suspicious" and none of this would have happened. Scrawny white kid vs. scrawny black kid


It's always gotta be about race with you... Gotta play advocate for the blacks, while you yourself are constantly being racist against the whites calling them derogatory names and making sure we know they're the reason this world isn't perfect. Round my part of the woods, blacks don't hold a monopoly on looking suspicious, but if my neighborhood had been hit up several times by black kids, I sure as **** wouldn't be looking for some nerdy azn... Not everyone lives in your stupid politically correct world, and obeys your dumb emotional thought process. Stop spinning your wheels over this case that involves two idiots, and move on. Not everything is gonna be black and white, and not everything in this world is gonna be perfectly justified. Just be happy with the fact we're getting more of that big gov'ment you love so much.

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@Budo: It doesn't justify what happened to him but I would be dishonest if I say that I think that he's a "loss" for society. I wouldn't disagree that he is a great loss for his parents or his close peers but to others, the world is a much better place without another juvenile delinquent in it. Who knows, maybe he would've grown out of his idiotic "thug" mindset if he lived a couple more years or maybe not; the thing is, he was just another unnecessary nuisance to humanity and I definitely won't miss having people like him around.


What a retard you are indeed. Just full retard. Full.

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Anyway... Zimmerman's life will never be the same. That's for sure!

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It's funny how a riot started out in the streets of somewhere just because a random spanish "white" guy killed a negro thug.

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This is seriously the stupidest fucking story to blow up my Facebook feed.

Zimmerman pleaded not guilty by way of self defense. There wasn't enough evidence to overturn his self defense plea and charge him with manslaughter or murder 2. That is our justice system at work.

That's it. Cry about it and throw the race card all you want, but it's done and over and no one but maybe the family gives a shit anymore.

You can blame the media for trying to paint a picture for both TM and GZ, but that has absolutely no effect on the verdict. You CAN, however, blame the media for the ensuing riots due to their fueling of the race war fire. After doing a little research, it's ironic that essentially only Fox News did not spread any false or misinformation regarding this trial.

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Being politically correct would be saying this case has nothing to do with Zimmerman finding a skinny ass black kid armed with skittles to be suspicious. If you are really going to absolve all blame off Zimmerman and deny that this kid was killed because of there is a negative perception of blacks, and that now the kid is (successfully) being portrayed as a fcking gangster and thug on The_Internet and on TV, then keep your head in the sand.
Just look at the posts in this thread. and the circle continues
4 of the 8 burglaries were committed by black males, not all of them, as everyone claims (check your sources). And even so, that doesn't mean he should go around ignoring the police dispatcher and stalking every black male he sees around.

I'm still interested in "lot of things" that showed Travyon was prejudiced, and also why that would affect the case. This isn't redstate.com brah :roll:

I don't know what your last part is about, you ramble about big government in all your posts for no reason. :sohappy:

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If there's a lesson to be learned it is "don't escalate"

Once you take it up a notch, you give the other guy permission to take it up two notches.

If you raise, don't expect the other guy to call. Expect him to raise you back.

Even when you have every excuse to whip out your machismo and get all thuggy on someone, just chill out and do what you can to get out of the situation. Life's too short for this shit. For Trayvon...way too short.

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