Russia's Big Gay Olympic Problem

*BlackFox · **Joined:** Sep 2008 **Posts:** 7923 **Location:**

I'm not Gay or, anything... But this is freaking ridiculous.

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Outrage of the week: this past Friday's announcement by the International Olympic Committee (IOC) that it has "received assurances from the highest level of government in Russia" that the country's draconian new anti-LGBT policies "will not affect those attending or taking part in the games".

As a reminder, the IOC is referring to the trifecta of bills signed into law by President Putin this summer that roll the status of LGBT people back to the Stalin era. One criminalizes any behavior seen as pro-gay. Another bans the adoption of Russian children by gay couples and any single parent from a country that recognizes marriage equality. And a third allows police officers to arrest tourists and foreign nationals they suspect of being homosexual, lesbian or "pro-gay" and detain them for up to 14 days.Next up: it's rumored that a soon-to-be-enacted law will remove Russian children from the homes of their Russian parents, biological or adoptive, if they are, or are suspected to be, LGBT.

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DarkJackal · **Joined:** Feb 2006 **Posts:** 6119 **Location:** A den~

So many people in the world need some sense bitch slapped into them.

omier · **Joined:** Aug 2006 **Posts:** 5985 **Location:** ...

I get the adoption ban, but the others are just outright ridiculous.

Sae · **Joined:** Jul 2006 **Posts:** 556 **Location:** lol

Sanktum wrote:

I get the adoption ban, but the others are just outright ridiculous.

How do you get the adoption ban? The only party hurt by the ban are the orphans.

Anyway, Russia is on a slow spiral downwards. I would not want to be LGBT there right now, just as I would not want to be a Jew in Nazi Germany. Shit must be scary for them.

TheKnight · **Joined:** Apr 2009 **Posts:** 3067 **Location:**

So if I was to go to Russia, and some officer thinks I'm gay they can arrest me without background checks or anything?

I really don't see the point of not letting gays get married or adopt a child. World is full of kids that would want to have a safe home above all else, does it really matter if the parents are gay or not?

And if taking childern away from "possibly gay" -parents, what difference is that going to make? Gay people don't always raise gay kids, much like straight people don't always raise straight kids.

PureStr · **Joined:** Nov 2007 **Posts:** 1244 **Location:** GTA5

Sae wrote:

Sanktum wrote:

I get the adoption ban, but the others are just outright ridiculous.

How do you get the adoption ban?

This is why I'm also for the adoption ban:

http://www.mrconservative.com/2013/07/21685-lesbian-couple-gives-son-hormone-blockers-says-the-child-is-transgender/

Ganja · **Joined:** Sep 2009 **Posts:** 1494 **Location:**

Can we just lock this thread. I don't like the path it's headed down.

ltsune · **Joined:** Mar 2008 **Posts:** 5751 **Location:**

PureStr wrote:

Sae wrote:

Sanktum wrote:

I get the adoption ban, but the others are just outright ridiculous.

How do you get the adoption ban?

This is why I'm also for the adoption ban:

http://www.mrconservative.com/2013/07/21685-lesbian-couple-gives-son-hormone-blockers-says-the-child-is-transgender/

I couldn't agree more.

I have nothing against gay people at all. Really. But I don't think they should be allowed to adopt children - that's all.

DarkJackal · **Joined:** Feb 2006 **Posts:** 6119 **Location:** A den~

As if straight people don't have/adopt children they abuse.

*BlackFox · **Joined:** Sep 2008 **Posts:** 7923 **Location:**

PureStr wrote:

http://www.mrconservative.com/2013/07/21685-lesbian-couple-gives-son-hormone-blockers-says-the-child-is-transgender/

Holy shit! That poor kid, he looks so sad.
This is child abuse... Seriously, the child should be removed from that dangerous household.
And these two idiots shouldn't be allowed to adopt children anymore.

TheDrop · **Joined:** May 2008 **Posts:** 7150 **Location:** uefa2012

Wait so one case of retarded parents means same sex couples shouldn't be able to adopt at all?

TBH in America theres so many facked up stories of child abuse you could make a better case for sterilizing everyone.

BuDo · **Joined:** Dec 2008 **Posts:** 4714 **Location:**

TheKnight wrote:

So if I was to go to Russia, and some officer thinks I'm gay they can arrest me without background checks or anything?

They could give you a rear-end check as oppose to a background check.... LOL..shit time for me to lay off these drinks but it's Friday night... :sohappy:

Warspawn · **Joined:** Nov 2011 **Posts:** 279 **Location:** Australia

ltsune wrote:

PureStr wrote:

Sanktum wrote:

I get the adoption ban, but the others are just outright ridiculous.

This is why I'm also for the adoption ban:

http://www.mrconservative.com/2013/07/21685-lesbian-couple-gives-son-hormone-blockers-says-the-child-is-transgender/

I couldn't agree more.

I have nothing against gay people at all. Really. But I don't think they should be allowed to adopt children - that's all.

Because the number of abused children adopted into a gay household far outnumbers those in a "normal" one.

XesoS · **Posted:** Sat Aug 10, 2013 10:09 am

this problem is not only in russia but mainly in all old Soviet countrys . We simply dont accept gays .

Kamiko · **Joined:** Nov 2012 **Posts:** 35 **Location:** Melbourne

ltsune wrote:

PureStr wrote:

Sae wrote:

How do you get the adoption ban?

This is why I'm also for the adoption ban:

http://www.mrconservative.com/2013/07/21685-lesbian-couple-gives-son-hormone-blockers-says-the-child-is-transgender/

I couldn't agree more.

I have nothing against gay people at all. Really. But I don't think they should be allowed to adopt children - that's all.

Why? What is so different about a homosexual couple?

I'd rather be raised by a couple of loving gays than by an abusive hetero couple, or have divorced parents.

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Gay parents "tend to be more motivated, more committed than heterosexual parents on average, because they chose to be parents," said Abbie Goldberg, a psychologist at Clark University in Massachusetts who researches gay and lesbian parenting. Gays and lesbians rarely become parents by accident, compared with an almost 50 percent accidental pregnancy rate among heterosexuals, Goldberg said. "That translates to greater commitment on average and more involvement."

And while research indicates that kids of gay parents show few differences in achievement, mental health, social functioning and other measures, these kids may have the advantage of open-mindedness, tolerance and role models for equitable relationships, according to some research. Not only that, but gays and lesbians are likely to provide homes for difficult-to-place children in the foster system, studies show. (Of course, this isn't to say that heterosexual parents can't bring these same qualities to the parenting table.)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/16/gay-parents-better-than-straights_n_1208659.html

ltsune · **Joined:** Mar 2008 **Posts:** 5751 **Location:**

Warspawn wrote:

Because the number of abused children adopted into a gay household far outnumbers those in a "normal" one.

It has nothing to do with the amount of abused children in gay households.

It has to do with the fact that I'm sure the far best way to raise a children is in a family with both a man and a women. You get something from your dad, and something from your mother. Having two dads (even though one of them might "play" the mother) won't work out as well for the children.
It is simply just healthier to live with a man and a mother as your parents - and that's why gay couples, even though they are very nice people, should not be allowed to adopt children in my opinion.
I completely respect that others have other opinions, but that's just how I think about it.

omier · **Joined:** Aug 2006 **Posts:** 5985 **Location:** ...

Kamiko wrote:

I'd rather be raised by a couple of loving gays than by an abusive hetero couple, or have divorced parents.

I'd rather be raised by a loving hetero couple.

BuDo · **Joined:** Dec 2008 **Posts:** 4714 **Location:**

Ultimately the right upbringing for the child takes presidence.... Personally I don't care too much for arguments that try to prove why gay couples would make good parents or why they would not because those arguments are secondary to what's most important and have the tendency to be highly biased opinions....

Will the child be offered/taught appropriate values/appropriate lessons/good environment/appropriate parenting interaction that would make him/her emotionally, mentally and psychologically balanced as well as sociologically sound..... If the prospective parent(s), whether they are gay, straight, two friends, a group of people, a family group, can offer this then who am I to argue.....

*BlackFox · **Joined:** Sep 2008 **Posts:** 7923 **Location:**

It's Just not natural! A child will follow example of parents in many ways
the obvious is left to imagination.

BuDo · **Joined:** Dec 2008 **Posts:** 4714 **Location:**

*BlackFox wrote:

It's Just not natural! A child will follow example of parents in many ways
the obvious is left to imagination.

There are probably some traits about your parents that won't continue on with you simply because you wont allow it (certain behaviors/ideas/notions)... And I don't think nearly the whole of society is heterosexual because they followed their parents... The reason for their heterosexuality is more biological than anything else... If we got our sexuality from observing our parents no one would be gay...

Deadfear · **Joined:** Jun 2008 **Posts:** 404 **Location:** somewhere

Just because you weren't raised with both your mom and dad does not make you any different or weirder or less of a person. There are millions of single parents who raise their children (one being my mom who raised me by herself because my dad had to leave us). Having 2 moms or 2 dads wouldn't be worse than having a mom and dad either.

*BlackFox · **Joined:** Sep 2008 **Posts:** 7923 **Location:**

BuDo wrote:

The reason for their heterosexuality is more biological than anything else...
If we got our sexuality from observing our parents no one would be gay...

Well, but you are "not born with your sexual behaviors"... you develop them.

DarkJackal · **Joined:** Feb 2006 **Posts:** 6119 **Location:** A den~

*BlackFox wrote:

BuDo wrote:

The reason for their heterosexuality is more biological than anything else...
If we got our sexuality from observing our parents no one would be gay...

Well, but you are "not born with your sexual behaviors"... you develop them.

And the parents affect that in any way? How would that explain anyone whos gay with straight parents? Or the many gay parents with straight kids i'm sure that are out there.

I don't get how this can even get a consideration. You might as well ban couples who like the same color as each other from adopting.

You both have the same fav color? Well **** you.

*BlackFox · **Joined:** Sep 2008 **Posts:** 7923 **Location:**

DarkJackal wrote:

And the parents affect that in any way?

Such relationship... can be very confusing for a young child.

ltsune · **Joined:** Mar 2008 **Posts:** 5751 **Location:**

Deadfear wrote:

Just because you weren't raised with both your mom and dad does not make you any different or weirder or less of a person. There are millions of single parents who raise their children (one being my mom who raised me by herself because my dad had to leave us). Having 2 moms or 2 dads wouldn't be worse than having a mom and dad either.

Who mentioned that being raised by a single parent is any better?

I know there are LOTS of people who have been raised by single parents. Lots! But that still doesn't make it ideal. If you asked a pregnant women, would she answer that should we chose to live as a single parent with this child? Probably not (unless the father is a di.ck of course). Then why should we allow gay people to adobt children, seeing as they're of the same sex and thus can somewhat be compared to having only one parent (at least in terms of what you "give" you children).

Please note that I never said that being raised by a single parent (or gay parents) makes a child weirder or less of a person.
But the fact that you're a different person if you've been raised by a single parent in comparison to if you have had two parents with you all the time cannot be denied. For good or for bad.

TheDrop · **Joined:** May 2008 **Posts:** 7150 **Location:** uefa2012

Any kind of relationship is very confusing to kids, until they are talked to about it..

And wait, so having 2 same sex parents means they somehow morph ino the same person and are as effective as single parents (not that single parents are any worse off than dual parets btw)

TheKnight · **Joined:** Apr 2009 **Posts:** 3067 **Location:**

*BlackFox wrote:

DarkJackal wrote:

And the parents affect that in any way?

Such relationship... can be very confusing for a young child.

Maybe for a child who was raised by straight parents.

BuDo · **Joined:** Dec 2008 **Posts:** 4714 **Location:**

*BlackFox wrote:

DarkJackal wrote:

And the parents affect that in any way?

Such relationship... can be very confusing for a young child.

For any young child that was already made aware of what common relationships are it would be confusing yes but gay relationships exists out in society and the child would eventually come to realize this and be confused anyways so what point are you trying to make?...

*BlackFox · **Joined:** Sep 2008 **Posts:** 7923 **Location:**

Pretty interesting story

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I was raised by 2 women and it was a very difficult and confusing time in my life. I lacked what a boy needed to grow up a man. I had no one to teach me how to fix things, how to take charge, how to play sports, etc. Everything I learned was from my male friends. Also, the women who raised me didn't understand boys and the importance of being masculine. They didn't teach me to eat right. Or drink my milk, or anything like that. My growth was severely stunted and my father's height and my sons height prove this. It was truly a bad experience. One other fact was the fight for attention between my biological mother and the person I called my aunt. It was bad man. Don't believe these lies people. It's not right -- I was in it.

I'm not a "homophobe" by any stretch. But "Male and Female" role models are a factor
in young children's development.

Aventus · **Posted:** Mon Aug 12, 2013 4:10 pm

Is there seriously an argument againsts gays being able to adopt. Like how is there such a thing. I lived next to a guy who would take in foster kids so he could get free labor out of them and people are worried about this shit. I would rather have a kid have a difficult time figuring out why he has 2 dads than have kids sitting in a foster home trying to figure out why noone wants them.

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